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So, Trump gets elected...

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
So, it is beginning to set in. A large percentage of the US population is stupid enough to vote this manipulative lunatic into office. If this is the case what, realistically, is going to happen? Would the Democrats in the Senate/House pull the classic Repub tactic of voting no to everything? Would "the Wall" get built? What about the social/ethnic/religious minorities that Trump continues to demean to the cheers of the extremists at his rallies?

Trump supporters and apologists need not apply given the forum that this post is in. Also, I would like to focus on Trump and not subscribe to the knee jerk reaction to undermine the post by trying to bring up Hillary. Thanks.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
That's a great question. I haven't a clue what might happen other than extreme polarization and obstructionism. It is, however, inconceivable to me that it will last more than one term.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Can Trump be any worse for the Country and it's people that it has been?
Not that I love Trump really, just a question.
Given the opposition I'd rather have Trump.
Lesser of bad candidates I think.
Just an opinion is all.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Can Trump be any worse for the Country and it's people that it has been?
Not that I love Trump really, just a question.
Given the opposition I'd rather have Trump.
Lesser of bad candidates I think.
Just an opinion is all.
You didn't even attempt to answer the OP.

Also...
Trump supporters and apologists need not apply
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
I don't think the large portion of the voting U.S. population is at all
stupid.

I doubt the "wall" would ever be built nor a serious attempt made to build it.
The public won't stand for such a tremendous waste of money and the idea
smacks of isolationism and seems to me to be against basic American values.

Trump appeals to the simple, quick, and wrong ideology of many that look for
quick, simple, answers to complicated problems.

Trump lacks the political knowledge and experience needed to be an effective
POTUS.
Still the views of the opposition seems worse to me.
Again, just an opinion like everyone else here expresses.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I don't think the large portion of the voting U.S. population is at all
stupid.
Oh?
Trump appeals to the simple, quick, and wrong ideology of many that look for
quick, simple, answers to complicated problems.
Trump lacks the political knowledge and experience needed to be an effective
POTUS.
If the population I am referring to had any sense at all, they would understand this. But they don't... hence my very harsh critique of the base voting for him.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
I still maintain you are selling the population short.
I have a bit more faith in the voting public though will admit that the voting
public puzzles me often!
It seems to me that Trump might be the lesser of two evils.
I'm not happy with nor have much faith in either.
In my humble opinion Hillary is much more dangerous than Trump as she
knows politics well and can hide her agenda behind seeming good ideas.
(no I won't comment on what I feel her agenda is)
 

Jake1001

Computer Simulator
To get a sense of the full spectrum of things that could happen, read about the German election of 1933.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I still maintain you are selling the population short.
You can maintain whatever you want, but the fact that they are 5 months away from trying to vote a game show host into the Oval Office, nothing you say will convince me.
It seems to me that Trump might be the lesser of two evils.
Which wouldn't have happened had the GOP voters not given into the fear and hype by voting for him in the primary. This is their responsibility and will should reap any consequences their "champion" brings.
In my humble opinion Hillary is much more dangerous than Trump as she
knows politics well and can hide her agenda behind seeming good ideas.
Also, I would like to focus on Trump and not subscribe to the knee jerk reaction to undermine the post by trying to bring up Hillary.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
As Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to any organized party-- I'm a Democrat".

My point is that I don't think most Dems would be willing to do what the Pubs did with Obama, but they certainly would do their best to make certain that certain programs, such as the ACA, Medicaid, etc. not be eliminated or sharply cut back. I don't picture any of the Dem leaders saying what McConnell said right after Obama was elected when he said that the number one priority for his party would be to negate a second term for the president.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So, it is beginning to set in. A large percentage of the US population is stupid enough to vote this manipulative lunatic into office. If this is the case what, realistically, is going to happen? Would the Democrats in the Senate/House pull the classic Repub tactic of voting no to everything? Would "the Wall" get built? What about the social/ethnic/religious minorities that Trump continues to demean to the cheers of the extremists at his rallies?

Trump supporters and apologists need not apply given the forum that this post is in. Also, I would like to focus on Trump and not subscribe to the knee jerk reaction to undermine the post by trying to bring up Hillary. Thanks.

(Hides red flag as enters liberal forum)

for what it is worth I think you're looking at an American Putin rather than a "Hitler"; A populist hard man, who lacks a coherent totalitarian ideology to have a one-party system. If it gets really bad, maybe it will look like China today- a cocktail of authoritarianism, corruption, runaway free market economics and corporate abuse of power.

Trump will easily be worse than Bush. It's hard to see how it won't inflame existing tensions leading to nationwide race riots, outbreaks of domestic terrorism and a NSA police state with mass survialliance, Internet censorship and possibly even the sort of "cheerleaders" they use on the Internet in China to promote the Party line. Although the media will probably do that anyway based on their behaviour under Bush even without the threat of libel laws being used to censor criticism of the president.

If he actually tries to deport all the illegal immigrants and builds the wall, with camps of illegal immigrants awaiting deportation patrolled by armed guards- we'll miss the days when FEMA camps were a figment of the far rights over active imagination even if we call it "free speech zones". Political opponents may start to disappear once the infrastructure to do so is in place as the culmination of increasingly divisive rhetoric and expansion of government powers.

However, the worst part is that irrespective of anything else, a Trump presidency would virtually close the window to prevent catastrophic climate change (without revolutionary technologies to reverse or stabilise it), relegating even the meagre promises of the Paris climate talks to history and my and future generations to war, famine and other fun stuff I really don't want to think about. That was probably going to happen anyway but electing Trump means offically the deniers have won and we should write the rest of the century off. (Note: the lag on climate change if we stop polluting overnight is estimated at two or three hundred years before temperature stabilisation so this easily has inter generational and historical impact that compounds existing failures).

Trumps foreign policy will probably make North Koreas behaviour look like a reasoned and proportionate response to the dangers of US imperialism and ISIL will no doubt continue to flourish with the U.S. Doing all the radicalising on their behalf by bombing random places in effort to look "tough" but really just making the situation a lot worse. U.S. Allies will be pretty much left to fend for themselves if The U.S. Leaves NATO or starts demanding they pay for U.S. bases.

On the flipside, you may have a large scale public works programme (not just the wall) and advance LGBT rights (his positions indicate those are possible) assuming the U.S. Is still standing to actually enjoy them. It is worth looking at his political positions page on Wikipedia even its not reliable given how much he changes his positions.

I'd consider all of the above an reasonable "average" of my expectations of a two term presidency (like Bush junior and Nixon). If the American people can do it once they can do it twice. I will save the worst case scenario for using nukes and US government default and the next Great Depression with 100% authentic nazis for some other time.

P.s I just realised I forget the ban on Muslims! Forgive me, but I need to go and hide in a dark corner and wait for the american drones to come and get me.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
(Hides red flag as enters liberal forum)

for what it is worth I think you're looking at an American Putin rather than a "Hitler"; A populist hard man, who lacks a coherent totalitarian ideology to have a one-party system. If it gets really bad, maybe it will look like China today- a cocktail of authoritarianism, corruption, runaway free market economics and corporate abuse of power.

Trump will easily be worse than Bush. It's hard to see how it won't inflame existing tensions leading to nationwide race riots, outbreaks of domestic terrorism and a NSA police state with mass survialliance, Internet censorship and possibly even the sort of "cheerleaders" they use on the Internet in China to promote the Party line. Although the media will probably do that anyway based on their behaviour under Bush even without the threat of libel laws being used to censor criticism of the president.

If he actually tries to deport all the illegal immigrants and builds the wall, with camps of illegal immigrants awaiting deportation patrolled by armed guards- we'll miss the days when FEMA camps were a figment of the far rights over active imagination even if we call it "free speech zones". Political opponents may start to disappear once the infrastructure to do so is in place as the culmination of increasingly divisive rhetoric and expansion of government powers.

However, the worst part is that irrespective of anything else, a Trump presidency would virtually close the window to prevent catastrophic climate change (without revolutionary technologies to reverse or stabilise it), relegating even the meagre promises of the Paris climate talks to history and my and future generations to war, famine and other fun stuff I really don't want to think about. That was probably going to happen anyway but electing Trump means offically the deniers have won and we should write the rest of the century off. (Note: the lag on climate change if we stop polluting overnight is estimated at two or three hundred years before temperature stabilisation so this easily has inter generational and historical impact that compounds existing failures).

Trumps foreign policy will probably make North Koreas behaviour look like a reasoned and proportionate response to the dangers of US imperialism and ISIL will no doubt continue to flourish with the U.S. Doing all the radicalising on their behalf by bombing random places in effort to look "tough" but really just making the situation a lot worse. U.S. Allies will be pretty much left to fend for themselves if The U.S. Leaves NATO or starts demanding they pay for U.S. bases.

On the flipside, you may have a large scale public works programme (not just the wall) and advance LGBT rights (his positions indicate those are possible) assuming the U.S. Is still standing to actually enjoy them. It is worth looking at his political positions page on Wikipedia even its not reliable given how much he changes his positions.

I'd consider all of the above an reasonable "average" of my expectations of a two term presidency (like Bush junior and Nixon). If the American people can do it once they can do it twice. I will save the worst case scenario for using nukes and US government default and the next Great Depression with 100% authentic nazis for some other time.

P.s I just realised I forget the ban on Muslims! Forgive me, but I need to go and hide in a dark corner and wait for the american drones to come and get me.
But at least American will be great again... right? ;)
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
But at least American will be great again... right? ;)

My analysis is already a little out of date. I can't post links but if you go to the UK guardian newspapers homepage, it has an article where North Korea "praises" Donald Trumps policies for the Korean Peninsula and says Americans shouldn't vote for "boring" Hillary.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Well we must not forget this Nation somehow survived the Bushs and Clintons.
We always have the House and Senate to check a bold POTUS.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well we must not forget this Nation somehow survived the Bushs and Clintons.
We always have the House and Senate to check a bold POTUS.
But they don't have the finger on the use of nukes, which Trump told the Today show that he would not discount using against ISIS.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
But they don't have the finger on the use of nukes, which Trump told the Today show that he would not discount using against ISIS.
I see Trump pandering to the lowest common denominator, again.
 
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