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So, Trump was innocent all the time!

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
That's.not.anger.
He's.just.a.pro.wrestler.who.can't.leave.his.job.at.the.office.
tenor.gif

Lol. You deviant... posting pictures from Dan's Sunday night roast beef supper.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Apparently you don't listen to even some of Trump's fellow Republicans, such as Barr, McConnell, and the Republican secretaries of states that say that the election was not "rigged" nor a "fraud" and that Biden won fair & square.

BTW, how and why do you excuse Trump's hedonistic behavior and well-documented dishonesty if you're a Christian? Also, are you getting your "news" from Fox because that might explain what we're reading the above nonsense?
If it isn't sufficiently right-wing it obviously isn't news to many. :D
 
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It's.been.acting.up.for.months.
Temp.fixes.work.for.a.while.
Eventually.I'll.get.my.replacement.keyboard.

I had a few laptops from work with keyboard issues, and the local repair shop told me it was probably minimum $300 repair. Cheaper to plug in an external keyboard, but that can be a bit of a pain with a laptop.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I had a few laptops from work with keyboard issues, and the local repair shop told me it was probably minimum $300 repair. Cheaper to plug in an external keyboard, but that can be a bit of a pain with a laptop.
My.fix.to.be.under.warranty.
But.I'd.pay.the.$300.
Some.things.in.life.are.worth.the.cost.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Again, it is not automatic as so much of the early propaganda proclaimed, which was my point.

I'm sure a taste for socialism will comparatively encourage our esteemed Supreme Chairman's desire for a more *ahem* 'streamlined' and 'centralized' government.
Well, if you collect Social Security, Medicare, support the U.S. Armed Services, drive on interstate highways, etc., then you too are a "socialist". What you have fell victim to, as well as so many other Americans, is Red Scare-type "McCarthyism" that has merely substituted "socialism" for "communism".
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Again, it is not automatic as so much of the early propaganda proclaimed, which was my point.

Well, if you collect Social Security, Medicare, support the U.S. Armed Services, drive on interstate highways, etc., then you too are a "socialist". What you have fell victim to, as well as so many other Americans, is Red Scare-type "McCarthyism" that has merely substituted "socialism" for "communism".

That's the problem.

Your either intentionally 'confusing' social programs and equating it with political systemic socialism, or are actually mixing in the two things into one pot alleging it to be the same exact things.

It's not.

Socialism is a direct threat to freedoms. Social programs are not, unless it contains punitive consequences and mandates within making it into something akin with lipstick on a pig and passing it off as harmless.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That's the problem.

Your either intentionally 'confusing' social programs and equating it with political systemic socialism, or are actually mixing in the two things into one pot alleging it to be the same exact things.

It's not.

Socialism is a direct threat to freedoms. Social programs are not, unless it contains punitive consequences and mandates within making it into something akin with lipstick on a pig and passing it off as harmless.
Alas,we've.a.definition.problem.
To.socialism's.fans:
It's.all.things.good.done.by.government.
To.socialism's.foes:
It's.all.things.bad.done.by.government.
To.fans.of.dictionaries:
It's.the.people.(which.is.government).owning.the.means.of.production.

Reminds.me.of....
Even.Daffy.is.more.analytical.than.the.left.&.the.right.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Alas,we've.a.definition.problem.
To.socialism's.fans:
It's.all.things.good.done.by.government.
To.socialism's.foes:
It's.all.things.bad.done.by.government.
To.fans.of.dictionaries:
It's.the.people.(which.is.government).owning.the.means.of.production.

I would express it slightly different:

To socialism's fans, human rights are enforced by government.

To socialism's foes, private companies aren't required to follow the principles of human rights.

To people understand dictionaries and how they're used (not to be confused with fans), they know the difference.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I would express it slightly different:

To socialism's fans, human rights are enforced by government.

To socialism's foes, private companies aren't required to follow the principles of human rights.

To people understand dictionaries and how they're used (not to be confused with fans), they know the difference.
Your.expression.demonizes.the.right.by.misrepresentation.
This.explains.eschewing.dictionaries....not.allowing.that.
both.sides.can.favor.human.rights.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Your.expression.demonizes.the.right.by.misrepresentation.
This.explains.eschewing.dictionaries....not.allowing.that.
both.sides.can.favor.human.rights.

How many times have you heard arguments like "The First Amendment doesn't apply to Facebook, Twitter, etc."? That tells me that they don't believe in the principles encompassed in the Bill of Rights. Imagine what kind of world we would have if capitalists were in charge. That's why government must always hold the power in society and keep the private sector under their thumb at all times. It's the only way to ensure the enforcement of universal human rights.

As we discussed in another recent thread, context is important; not just the dictionary definition recited in a vacuum.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
How many times have you heard arguments like "The First Amendment doesn't apply to Facebook, Twitter, etc."? That tells me that they don't believe in the principles encompassed in the Bill of Rights. Imagine what kind of world we would have if capitalists were in charge. That's why government must always hold the power in society and keep the private sector under their thumb at all times. It's the only way to ensure the enforcement of universal human rights.

As we discussed in another recent thread, context is important; not just the dictionary definition recited in a vacuum.
Government.does.hold.much.power.
And.my.friends.on.the.right.are.better
human.beings.than.you.claim.
I.also.tell.them.that.the.left.is.better.
than.they.claim.
You.remind.me.of.them...too.tribal.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Government.does.hold.much.power.
And.my.friends.on.the.right.are.better
human.beings.than.you.claim.
I.also.tell.them.that.the.left.is.better.
than.they.claim.
You.remind.me.of.them...too.tribal.

Well, if we're looking at stated principles, government officials take an oath to uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Private sector officials do not do that. They're not required to, and they seem to make a point of reminding people of that at every opportunity.

More often than not, capitalists are always trying to work around the concept of human rights.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I was away, out of the civilisation for a few months, and could not get onto my computer.
But I was able to watch the American politics and news networks.

So much have changed in the mean while.
For starters, the big lie that Trump was in support of Russia and a Putin crony allowing the Russians to pay bounties to Afgans to kill American soldiers was proven wrong!
The big lie that Trump encited the "Far right supporters" to attack the Congress on Jan 6, was proven wrong!
The big lie that Trump will be investigated for financial corruption and will be jailed, was proven wrong!

Just like the lies made up by the far left socialist media that Trump colluded with Russia and had a corrupt transaction with them, was proven wrong.
What about the whistleblowers which the far left media concocted to slander Trump for any conceivable transgression any person could concoct? Just as many lies.
5 years of non stop allegations was proven wron, and lies made up by all the corrupt politicians in the Dem party.

Now we see Biden opening the borders to druglords, human trafficers, criminals, and even terrorists!
We see how he and Harris hides the true situation on the border, transporting illegal immigrants to other states, booking them into hotels, to make it appear that the situation is not as bad as the true events show!
We see how Harris did not go to the border, but rather thought up a BS story that it is better to go to the South American countries where these illegals comes from, just to be punched in the face by the leaders of these countries telling her, IT IS BIDENS' DOING THAT YOU HAVE THIS CRISIS!

What about Israel, and China!
I am so sorry for the US people, They are now the laughing stock of the world!
Very few people I speak to think that Biden has the ability to defend the USA.
Actually, even hard core Trump haters I knew, now say they were misleaded by the world's media and the lies concocted by the Democratic organisations. The swamp was much larger than what was anticipated.

We all hope that the people of the US will be able to survive the socialist onslaught, and the damage the Democrat leaders are pushing down their throats!

How the hell did it happen that the USA might change into a socialist autocratic communist country?
These orgnisations are realy well oiled machines working together to remove the freedom from the greatest people this Earth has ever known.

Anyway.
So Trump was innocent all along, and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and all the other mickey mouse so called "news networks" slithered into their holes, and hope no one would notice the damage they caused to the hard working families of the USA.
Greetings.
Yes, isn't it obvious. Innocent. Chaste as the snow upon the hillside. Destined for sainthood. Never even thought about touching a woman who wasn't his wife -- and especially not when the woman who was his wife was pregnant.

When you set up your shrine, would you be so good as to post a photo of it here on RF, so we can all grovel and worship together with you?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
And.socialists.are.the.masters.of.abusing.humans.
I am hoping you are using the word "socialists" to not necessarily mean people who have a social conscious and work toward democratic, liberal social justice for as many as possible.

Sorry to nit-pick, but that word "socialist" in the US tends to irrationally terrify your citizens -- I rather suspect that they have so little understanding of what the many definitions mean, and a lot of history.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am hoping you are using the word "socialists" to not necessarily mean people who have a social conscious and work toward democratic, liberal social justice for as many as possible.

Sorry to nit-pick, but that word "socialist" in the US tends to irrationally terrify your citizens -- I rather suspect that they have so little understanding of what the many definitions mean, and a lot of history.
I use the dictionary definition, ie, the people own the means
of production, eg, N Korea, USSR, Khmer Rouge.
By the leftists' usage, even I am a "socialist" cuz I favor public
roads, public schools, UBI, etc.
 
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