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So Where is sHe now?

atanu

Member
Premium Member
About the Word:

Prajapati vai idam agre asit tasya vak dvitiya asit vak vai param brahma
"In the begining was Lord of Men. With HIM was VAK (the WORD), and VAK was verily the highest Brahman."(Rig Veda)

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Where do we find Her?
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Surely, in order for the Word to be in the beginning, there must have been a language before the beginning?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Where do we find Her?
Sunday morning at 5:00 as the day begins
Quietly closing her bedroom door, leaving the note that she hoped would say more,
She goes downstairs to the kitchen, clutching her handkerchief.
Quietly turning the back door key, stepping outside she is free...
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Surely, in order for the Word to be in the beginning, there must have been a language before the beginning?

:)Being is never alone; it always has its own accompaniment, its shadow, vac, the Word, the Firstborn. Language manifests later.
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
:)Being is never alone; it always has its own accompaniment, its shadow, vac, the Word, the Firstborn. Language manifests later.
But words are not meaningful unless they are a component of a language. "Goodbye" does not mean anything in German, for instance.

You may be talking about something different. In that case, can you please use a different term?
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
What are the other 3/4?

Can you trace back the sound that emanates from you to its source? Try it and kindly express what you find. Please do not just give the scientific explanation. I am asking you to see-feel the origin of sound in you. Easiest is to trace back the sound "I", which is the mother of all others that come later.

My answer to your question/s will mean nothing in absence of some non-bookish experience. Kindly bear with me.
 
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chinu

chinu
About the Word:

Prajapati vai idam agre asit tasya vak dvitiya asit vak vai param brahma
"In the begining was Lord of Men. With HIM was VAK (the WORD), and VAK was verily the highest Brahman."(Rig Veda)

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Where do we find Her?
Within yourself. :)

_/\_
Chinu
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Surely, in order for the Word to be in the beginning, there must have been a language before the beginning?

The word or sound is the language. It represents the manifestation of God and essentially encompasses all of manifest reality. It is everything.

Also, the 'beginning' only refers to the creation of the material universe. And it has infinite beginnings and infinite endings, a cycle that goes on and on...
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Before posting further in this thread, i wished it to be moved to a DIR, as i felt the subject was not debate material. However, it seems that it is not possible at this stage. So we continue in this forum.
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In Tantra, it is said that the Universe was set in motion by the primordial throb (adya-spanda) and that all objects of the Universe were created by sound – “artha-srsteh puram sabda-srstih” (sound precedes the formation of objects).

The universe is also confirmed to us as we each perceive it through internal dialogues. When the internal talk stops, the world disappears. This will be unbelievable to many but best we can do is compare with our deep sleep state, wherein there is no internal dialogue and no confirmation such as "Yes, the object 1 is like object 1" and no world.

So, in Veda, the Vak (the Word), which is said to be infinite and formless in the pure mind-space, and which divides into two and then three and then into many, is not only the spoken or heard word.
Rig Veda 1.164.45 “catvari vak parimita padani tani vidur brahmana ye minishinah, guha trini nihita neengayanti turiyam vaco manushya vadanti” (i.e. The knower know of the Vak that exists in four forms . Three are hidden and the fourth is what men speak) .
The rhythms of cosmic vibrations manifest as of four kinds (or rather in four stages of manifestation):
  • Para-Vak is the highest form of sound. It originates as Om and issues forth from the Supernal Ether (paramam vyomam) where all the sound vibrations that build the various worlds pre-exist in an undifferentiated state.
  • Pashyanti is the sound vibration heard in the Causal worlds (equivalent is our sleep realm). Pashyanti is “seeing speech”. A sage whose consciousness abides in the causal sleep body is able to “glimpse” a Truth in a vision or a revelation. Knowledge is acquired in the inner mind by sight without the use of the reasoning faculty or sensory data.
  • Madhyama (Middle)is the sound as perceived in the subtle or the Pranic world (as in our dream realm). These exist as thought-forms held in our mind.
  • Vaikhari is the lowest form of sound and it signifies outward expression. This is the spoken word emerging from our throat. We know this only as the Vak.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
Surely, in order for the Word to be in the beginning, there must have been a language before the beginning?

That is a presuppostion that logos means language. Spiritual intelligence does not need words. In John, "Logos" which is translated as Word has a more encompassing meaning than just language.
 
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