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So where will you go? (81:23)

Pudding

Well-Known Member
If we don't go to the path towards God and light, where are we going?
Assume what you mean by "go to the path towards God and light" means that:
- obey whatever some specific self-proclaimed true believers or God's messengers say God say everyone should obey.
- join a specific self-proclaimed true religion and pay the membership fee or donation.

You probably believe there're some kind of bad consequences waiting for us after we die if we don't obey whatever you say God say we should obey and/or if we don't join your religion and pay the membership fee.

Some Jehovah's Witnesses may believe you're going to go to hell if you don't obey whatever they say God say you should obey and/or if you don't join their religion and pay the membership fee.

Some Baha'is may believe there're some kind of bad consequences waiting for you after you die if you don't obey whatever they say God say you should obey and/or if you don't join their religion and pay the membership fee.

Some believers from some other religions may believe you will be damned if you don't obey whatever their respective religion say God say you should obey and/or if you don't join their respective religion and pay the membership fee.

I haven't been convince to believe we're going to anywhere after we die if we don't obey whatever anyone of you people say God say we should obey and if we don't join any one of you people's respective religion and pay the membership fee.

Now, some of you theists can feel free to threaten each other with bad afterlife consequences if you people don't obey whatever each other say God say you people should obey and/or if you people don't join each other's respective religion and pay the membership fee. You people can feel free to enjoy each other's sermon and enjoy threatening each other. I'm done with this thread, goodbye.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If we don't go to God's Messengers and leaders appointed by God, we go to our own leaders and great men, which all lead astray. This is what I believe, and so the question is "where will we go?" if not to a Messenger from God, we go to ignorance is where we go, and follow leaders we pick out of conjecture and our desires.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Given the way the evidence lies when examined honestly I would think it very easy
You might think that but we all look at the evidence with different eyes. If I did not see evidence for God do you really think I would be a believer? What do you think I get for myself besides a lot of work? Think again. I have no desire to be a believer. If I was not absolutely certain that God exists I would be out of here so fast you would not even see my shadow, and with all the money I have and my good health I could be doing anything I want to do. Instead I am here on this forum. No offense but it gets really old after a while.

Being a believer might not be so difficult for Christians or even Muslims who are in majority religions but being a Baha'i is no picnic, as one has to have a lot of fortitude to endure all the flak we get from Christians and other religions. That is not to mention all the 'requirements' Baha'is have to meet that Christians do not have to meet because they are 'saved and forgiven' or so they believe, without having to do anything and without having to follow any religious laws. Being a Baha'i is anything but easy but it is my responsibility and responsibilities are not always easy as you probably know from being a parent. It is very different from other Baha'is because they love God, but I don't even want to go down that long dark road. Other Baha'is also enjoy being a Baha'i, the prayers, study classes, and other social activities, but I do not enjoy any of that. Maybe that could change in the future, I don't really know..

On the other hand, in spite of all the work and sacrifices I love the Baha'i Faith, what it teaches and its vision for world unity and the oneness of mankind, peace on earth and a better world, which I firmly believe will come to pass. I just have personal issues with God that make it difficult to be a believer.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You might think that but we all look at the evidence with different eyes. If I did not see evidence for God do you really think I would be a believer? What do you think I get for myself besides a lot of work? Think again. I have no desire to be a believer. If I was not absolutely certain that God exists I would be out of here so fast you would not even see my shadow, and with all the money I have and my good health I could be doing anything I want to do. Instead I am here on this forum. No offense but it gets really old after a while.

Being a believer might not be so difficult for Christians or even Muslims who are in majority religions but being a Baha'i is no picnic, as one has to have a lot of fortitude to endure all the flak we get from Christians and other religions. That is not to mention all the 'requirements' Baha'is have to meet that Christians do not have to meet because they are 'saved and forgiven' or so they believe, without having to do anything and without having to follow any religious laws. Being a Baha'i is anything but easy but it is my responsibility and responsibilities are not always easy as you probably know from being a parent. It is very different from other Baha'is because they love God, but I don't even want to go down that long dark road. Other Baha'is also enjoy being a Baha'i, the prayers, study classes, and other social activities, but I do not enjoy any of that. Maybe that could change in the future, I don't really know..

On the other hand, in spite of all the work and sacrifices I love the Baha'i Faith, what it teaches and its vision for world unity and the oneness of mankind, peace on earth and a better world, which I firmly believe will come to pass. I just have personal issues with God that make it difficult to be a believer.

Evidence is evidence, falsifiable and validated evidence tops the list, it looks like evidence to me because it suits my by belief is about as close to the bottom of the list as can be.

However people can chose to believe whatever calibre of evidence thry want

You tug of war with the faith you chose follow it pretty much irrelevant to the question
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Evidence is evidence, falsifiable and validated evidence tops the list, it looks like evidence to me because it suits my by belief is about as close to the bottom of the list as can be.
Evidence: anything that helps to prove that something is or is not true: EVIDENCE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

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15 Types of Evidence and How to Use Them

Evidence comes in many forms, and even if it’s not admissible in court it can still be relevant to a case and provide valuable insight during an investigation

Posted by Dawn Lomer on April 6th, 2016


1. Analogical Evidence
While not a kind of evidence you’d use in court, this kind of evidence can be useful for increasing credibility by drawing parallels when there isn’t enough information to prove something in a workplace investigation. Analogical evidence uses a comparison of things that are similar to draw an analogy.

2. Anecdotal Evidence
Anecdotal evidence isn’t used in court, but can sometimes help in a workplace investigation to get a better picture of an issue. The biggest problem with this kind of evidence is that it is often “cherry picked” to present only anecdotes that support a particular conclusion. Consider it with skepticism, and in combination with other, more reliable, kinds of evidence.

3. Character Evidence
This is a testimony or document that is used to help prove that someone acted in a particular way based on the person’s character. While this can’t be used to prove that a person’s behavior at a certain time was consistent with his or her character, it can be used in some workplace investigations to prove intent, motive, or opportunity.

4. Circumstantial Evidence
Also known as indirect evidence, this type of evidence is used to infer something based on a series of facts separate from the fact the argument is trying to prove. It requires a deduction of facts from other facts that can be proven and, while not considered to be strong evidence, it can be relevant in a workplace investigation, which has a different burden of proof than a criminal investigation.

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5. Demonstrative Evidence
An object or document is considered to be demonstrative evidence when it directly demonstrates a fact. It’s a common and reliable kind of evidence. Examples of this kind of evidence are photographs, video and audio recordings, charts, etc. In a workplace investigation, this could be an audio recording of someone’s harassing behavior or a photograph of offensive graffiti.

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6. Digital Evidence

Digital evidence can be any sort of digital file from an electronic source. This includes email, text messages, instant messages, files and documents extracted from hard drives, electronic financial transactions, audio files, video files. Digital evidence can be found on any server or device that stores data, including some lesser-known sources such as home video game consoles, GPS sport watches and internet-enabled devices used in home automation. Digital evidence is often found through internet searches using open source intelligence (OSINT).

OSINT is one of the most efficient ways to gather digital evidence online. Search online using this comprehensive link list of OSINT tools and resources.

Challenges of digital evidence
Collecting digital evidence requires a skillset not always needed for physical evidence. There are many methods for extracting digital evidence from different devices and these methods, as well as the devices on which evidence is stored, change rapidly. Investigators need to either develope specific technical expertise or rely on experts to do the extraction for them.

Preserving digital evidence is also challenging because, unlike physical evidence, it can be altered or deleted remotely. Investigators need to be able to authenticate the evidence, and also provide documentation to prove its integrity.

7. Direct Evidence
The most powerful type of evidence, direct evidence requires no inference. The evidence alone is the proof. This could be the testimony of a witness who saw first-hand an incident of sexual harassment in the workplace.

8. Documentary Evidence
Most commonly considered to be written forms of proof, such as letters or wills, documentary evidence can also include other types of media, such as images, video or audio recordings, etc.

9. Exculpatory Evidence
This type of evidence can exonerate a defendant in a – usually criminal – case. Prosecutors and police are required to disclose to the defendant any exculpatory evidence they find or risk having the case dismissed.

10. Forensic Evidence
Forensic Evidence is scientific evidence, such as DNA, trace evidence, fingerprints or ballistics reports, and can provide proof to establish a person’s guilt or innocence. Forensic evidence is generally considered to be strong and reliable evidence and alongside helping to convict criminals, its role in exonerating the innocent has been well documented. The term “forensic” means “for the courts”. Its use in workplace investigations is generally limited to serious cases that may end up in court.

11. Hearsay Evidence
Hearsay evidence consists of statements made by witnesses who are not present. While hearsay evidence is not admissible in court, it can be relevant and valuable in a workplace investigation where the burden of proof is less robust than in court.

12. Physical Evidence
As would be expected, evidence that is in the form of a tangible object, such as a firearm, fingerprints, rope purportedly used to strangle someone, or tire casts from a crime scene, is considered to be physical evidence. Physical evidence is also known as “real” or “material” evidence. It can be presented in court as an exhibit of a physical object, captured in still or moving images, described in text, audio or video or referred to in documents.

13. Prima Facie Evidence
Meaning “on its first appearance” this is evidence presented before a trial that is enough to prove something until it is successfully disproved or rebutted at trial. This is also called “presumptive evidence”.

14. Statistical Evidence
Evidence that uses numbers (or statistics) to support a position is called statistical evidence. This type of evidence is based on research or polls.

15. Testimonial Evidence
One of the most common forms of evidence, this is either spoken or written evidence given by a witness under oath. It can be gathered in court, at a deposition or through an affidavit.

15 Types of Evidence and How to Use Them in Investigations
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Perhaps the problem was rather with your own personal path?

What gives you the right to generalize your own experience and think you can extrapolate that to all individuals?

There are 7 billion of us. I don't think you can speak for all of us.

thank you for your thoughtful post

you are 100% correct, since my comment was, in my mind, to reflect my own experience, and no one else’s

what I thought was referring to myself you saw as a generalization, and I apologize profusely, since that was absolutely not my intention
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
thank you for your thoughtful post

you are 100% correct, since my comment was, in my mind, to reflect my own experience, and no one else’s

what I thought was referring to myself you saw as a generalization, and I apologize profusely, since that was absolutely not my intention
Having said that....

I follow my own path. So far it has led me to happiness. Not to heartache.
 
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