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Social service & believe in God.

chinu

chinu

chinu
ChristineM said:
That's where a usually learn the meaning of words., I find them to be concise and accurate .
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If you have pre-concluded that they are concise and accurate then I think its pointless to debate with you.

There you go with your OED.

:) All the best :thumbsup:
 
chinu

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chinu
Viker said:
It's good for others. It's good for communities. I don't do it to be a better person. I don't do it to earn favor with a deity or to get a pass into paradise. I do it because I feel the need. I do it for you and anyone else.
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Question is what's your benefit in doing ?
 
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ppp said:
There is no connection between the two positions.
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Dear, thanks for reminding.
But, I am already familiar with the aspect that generally people THINK that there's no connection between the two positions.

Enjoy the thread:)
 
chinu

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Nakosis said:
Does helping people make you God?
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Yes, helping people make one God.

A human leads a life involving 3 three levels.
  1. Body level.
  2. Mind level.
  3. Soul level.
The one who is capable to help people on all 3 three levels is = God.

Kindly note: by saying this I am not saying that I am capable of helping people on all 3 three levels.
 
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SalixIncendium

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Niatero said:
Is believing in God a reason for you for doing social services? Can you explain how or why?
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From a Hindu perspective, in karma yoga, the path of action, all actions performed by a devotee are performed in service to God.
 
Niatero

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SalixIncendium said:
From a Hindu perspective, in karma yoga, the path of action, all actions performed by a devotee are performed in service to God.
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From my perspective too, but my question for chinu is how or why believing in God is a reason for doing social services, unless believing in God is *defined* as wanting to serve him and social services is *defined* as whatever you think will serve him, which I don't think it is for him, and maybe not for you. Is it? Is "wanting to serve God" your definition of believing in God? Is "Whatever I think will serve him" your definition of "doing social services?
 
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Niatero said:
From my perspective too, but my question for chinu is how or why believing in God is a reason for doing social services, unless believing in God is *defined* as wanting to serve him and social services is *defined* as whatever you think will serve him, which I don't think it is for him, and maybe not for you. Is it?
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For me? No. As a transtheist, I have no practical use for personal gods.

Niatero said:
Is "wanting to serve God" your definition of believing in God?
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Likely not for everyone, but for those Hindu devotees that walk the path of karma yoga, it likely is.

Niatero said:
Is "Whatever I think will serve him" your definition of "doing social services?
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Mine? No. But doing social services for those I mentioned above is, at the very least, certainly a part of that.
 
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chinu said:
First you answer my question then I will answer your question for sure. :)
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Do you mean this question?

"If you don't believe in God, then why you believe in doing social services ?"

I can't answer the question because I can't honestly say that I don't believe in God.

There was a time when I didn't believe in God, and then I might have said because I want to. If you asked me why I want to, I might have given many reasons, but now I would say that I don't have to have a reason. I just want to, like I want to eat when I'm hungry. If you ask me why I'm hungry sometimes, I might tell you some theory about human biology, but that's just speculation. The basic fact is that I want to eat sometimes, and I've always wanted to do social services even when I didn't believe in God. I just want to. If you ask for some kind of explanation for that I would just say that I it's part of human nature. It's part of human nature to care about other people and what happens to them.
 
Nakosis

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chinu said:
Yes, helping people make one God.

A human leads a life involving 3 three levels.
  1. Body level.
  2. Mind level.
  3. Soul level.
The one who is capable to help people on all 3 three levels is = God.

Kindly note: by saying this I am not saying that I am capable of helping people on all 3 three levels.
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Then it is not necessary to believe in God to be a God.
 
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Niatero said:
Do you mean this question?

"If you don't believe in God, then why you believe in doing social services ?"

I can't answer the question because I can't honestly say that I don't believe in God.

There was a time when I didn't believe in God, and then I might have said because I want to. If you asked me why I want to, I might have given many reasons, but now I would say that I don't have to have a reason. I just want to, like I want to eat when I'm hungry. If you ask me why I'm hungry sometimes, I might tell you some theory about human biology, but that's just speculation. The basic fact is that I want to eat sometimes, and I've always wanted to do social services even when I didn't believe in God. I just want to. If you ask for some kind of explanation for that I would just say that I it's part of human nature. It's part of human nature to care about other people and what happens to them.
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Niatero said:
Is believing in God a reason for you for doing social services? Can you explain how or why?
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I don't believe in God rather am sure about the existence of God. There's always a room for the possibility of non-existence of God when one BELIEVE, whereas there's no room for the possibility of non-existence when one is SURE.

What made me SURE about God ? My meditation experience compells me to admit that there's one God/Energy working inside everybody regardless of one is a believer, or a non-believer.

And, as a result of this I am sure that "Believing-in-God" is reason behind everybody doing social-services regardless of one is a believer, or a non believer.
 
Stevicus

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chinu said:
Bringing all the workers of the world to unify under a single banner is possible, or not -- is some another point of discussion.

Your previous reply sounds like -- there's kinda competition going-on between societies to become more advanced, progressive, and politically stable than others by doing social services. But, now you agree that we should help everyone on Earth.
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There has been a competition among nations, yes. This may have become more intensified during the rise of industrialism, which led to larger cities (and all of the social ills which came about as a result). National leaders needed more industrial workers and bigger armies to prevail in the competition among nations. Those nations which demonstrated a greater degree of kindness and generosity towards the lower classes engendered greater loyalty from the populace, leading to a more successful, stable, and prosperous society. Societies where the people were treated unjustly or unfairly led to greater resentment, dissension, sociopolitical instability, and upheaval.

However, it was also punctuated by a rise in nationalistic sentiment in that liberalism and progressivism began and ended at home. The basic idea was "we'll help our own people, but screw everybody else who is not one of us." This mentality would ultimately lead to the First World War, where one could observe multiple countries where the collective whole of the people were geared up for war, from people working feverishly in factories to build weapons and equipment, to millions of young men joining the military to go off to war - where they will kill or be killed by other young men from other countries doing the exact same thing.

It was at this point that some people began to hit upon the idea of just how absurdly ridiculous it all was, with millions of ordinary people being compelled to fight and kill millions of other ordinary people from another country. Some people thought that the world would be better off if all these millions of people stopped fighting each other and instead turned the guns on their own leaders, so that the malicious and malignant classes would be overthrown and a new, enlightened, global society could be formed, based on socioeconomic equity and human rights. Others saw such thinking as too idealistic and naive, and to be sure, global politics did go somewhat awry in the intervening years. Among other things, it led to even more intensified and atrocious form of nationalism and a war that killed anywhere between 50 to 100 million people.


chinu said:
My question still stands: why you want to do social service ? :)
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Because I believe it might lead to a better outcome than world war.
 
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