Social service & believe in God.

[Stevicus]

Then instead of helping those who are already more advanced, progressive, and generally more politically stable, why not help the societies who are not advanced, progressive, and politically stable on this EARTH ?

I agree. We should help everyone on Earth. Of course, that can get a bit dicey when it enters the realm of international politics, which has led me to conclude that the best way to help humanity (as a whole) is for all the workers of the world to unify under a single banner.

On wider, I don't think reasons are secular and politically practical. are they ?

Sometimes, they're politically expedient. Social services can be a hedge against the civil disorder which can result from widespread poverty.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If you don't believe in God, then why you believe in doing social services ?

God has nothing to do with how we treat other people - for many at least. Those who do believe in God might just go by what some particular doctrine advises, but for those who just live by the common rules of behaviour this will likely come from how societies tend to behave overall.

That is, that what occurs within societies usually tends towards that which will make the society, and by implication the members of that society, to prosper. Hence, making the best use of resources will likely achieve such aims, and so if some members require help in their troubles (whatever such might be) it is likely they will get this help rather than not doing so resulting in a loss to that society, especially if they were previously a valuable member of that society. And mostly aided by empathy and compassion.

Why would we not do this when this makes more sense than not doing so?

 

[ChristineM]

Disbelief in god is simply a disbelief in god. Its neither demerit/sin or a merit.

Demerit/Sin is simply something that you do with others and don't expect that for yourself.

Perhaps if you had a word with the compilers of the OED and give them your opinion.

Sin: an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So why are social services programs organised by some individuals ? Reason ?

Because people are empathetic and desire to see the advancement of holistic health.

None of it requires a belief in God or a deity or anything else.

 

[Link]

Because people are empathetic and desire to see the advancement of holistic health.

None of it requires a belief in God or a deity or anything else.

Empathy is a mathematical sound application of valuing others as you value yourself. We individually are not more valuable then others in terms of who should suffer or who should not. Compassion to all is needed by all humans.

But from what I see, this application is usually partial. Certain people in the world don't get that compassion from the well off people while others do.

This discretion of applying compassion to some people but not others in my view nullifies that compassion.

 

[chinu]

Perhaps if you had a word with the compilers of the OED and give them your opinion.

Do you agree or disagree with the compilers of the OED ?

 

[Link]

Empathy is a mathematical sound application of valuing others as you value yourself. We individually are not more valuable then others in terms of who should suffer or who should not. Compassion to all is needed by all humans.

But from what I see, this application is usually partial. Certain people in the world don't get that compassion from the well off people while others do.

This discretion of applying compassion to some people but not others in my view nullifies that compassion.

This leads to my belief a lot of people deceive themselves about being good by partial application. Partial application is evil and hypocritical. Most humans are hence evil and need to be awakened some how. I see God as a means to be honest to oneself. A true reflection in the mirror no matter how ugly we've become.

Without God, we deceive ourselves we are good by partial application, which is an abomination.

 

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[ChristineM]

Do you agree or disagree with the compilers of the OED ?

That's where a usually learn the meaning of words., I find them to be concise and accurate .

 

[Spice]

So why are social services programs organised by some individuals ? Reason ?

To be useful to the world.

 

[Viker]

If you don't believe in God, then why you believe in doing social services ?

It's good for others. It's good for communities. I don't do it to be a better person. I don't do it to earn favor with a deity or to get a pass into paradise. I do it because I feel the need. I do it for you and anyone else.

 

[Spice]

What will happen if you don't have empathy and concern for others ?
Why is it compulsory to have empathy and concern for others ?

You become a selfish narcissistic waste -- or someone's project to save you.LOL

 

[Spice]

This leads to my belief a lot of people deceive themselves about being good by partial application. Partial application is evil and hypocritical.

Ditto:

 

[ppp]

If you don't believe in God, then why you believe in doing social services ?

There is no connection between the two positions.

 

[Stonetree]

Is hidden truth useful ?

Human beings are social by nature. Before there were religions, governments, or tribes, humans formed social bonds and responsibilities.

 

[Viker]

Human beings are social by nature. Before there were religions, governments, or towns humans formed social bonds and responsibilities.

It's my opinion that we've always been this way. Religion, politics and things like them, and materialism, have often stifled that aspect of our collective humanity.

 

[osgart]

If you don't believe in God, then why you believe in doing social services ?

That's how society becomes civilization. The basis of morality is to help others from a sincere desire to do so for them others. Morality provides a quality of life without exclusion.

There is many a self benefit to helping others such as a cleaner, safer environment, less crime and more wealth to go around. Yet genuine desire to help others for the sake of others without a fear crutch is genuine morality. People do it because it pleases them not because it is an obligation owed to God.

If helping others is merely an obligation, and duty then that is just a selfish only reason to do it. That's very low on the scale of good morals.

Personally I think people who do not rob, and steal from life deserve the opportunity to live. Social services provides those who do not have opportunity with a basic living requirement. Why would anyone want those that need social services to rot, and die in a public environment?

If a person needs God to be moral then they themselves are not at all moral. The idea of God keeping people in line is absurd and has nothing to do with genuine morality.

So then my question back to you is, why, and how does God make someone moral? And why do so many Christians, and religious people hate social services so much?

 

[ppp]

Is hidden truth useful ?

No. Hidden truth is indistinguishable from hidden falsity. And random background noise.

 

[chinu]

I agree. We should help everyone on Earth. Of course, that can get a bit dicey when it enters the realm of international politics, which has led me to conclude that the best way to help humanity (as a whole) is for all the workers of the world to unify under a single banner.

Bringing all the workers of the world to unify under a single banner is possible, or not -- is some another point of discussion.

Your previous reply sounds like -- there's kinda competition going-on between societies to become more advanced, progressive, and politically stable than others by doing social services. But, now you agree that we should help everyone on Earth.

My question still stands: why you want to do social service ?