That's one I've not run across.
What dictionary are you citing?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Socialists may have the same mentality as Nazis: that people must be enslaved
- Thread starter Revoltingest
- Start date
What dictionary are you citing?
So you don't try.
It figures.
Nothing useful followed that.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Google’s English dictionary is provided by Oxford Languages.
There's no point to making this about post-communist China.
I referred to the Mao era....the Great Leap
Your statement suggests that's your source.
No link though.
I have one for you...
Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Your source shows more than you claimed.
Clearly, socialism is not only about various trades,
but the much broader means of production.
The part of your source that you didn't quote....
AI Overview
Learn more…Opens in new tab
Capitalism is an economic system where private individuals or businesses own the means of production and distribution, and use them to produce goods and services for profit. In a capitalist system, prices are set by supply and demand in the market, and the government's role is limited to protecting citizens' rights and maintaining an orderly environment.
I think the main difference is that capitalists are in favor of a system that benefits themselves first.
Socialists want a system that's going to benefit everyone ( I'm talking about socialists in general, not the people running socialist countries).
In theory anyway. I realize a lot of people who are in favor of socialism are just people that somehow or another wound up at the bottom of the capitalist food chain.
Socialists want a system that's going to benefit everyone ( I'm talking about socialists in general, not the people running socialist countries).
In theory anyway. I realize a lot of people who are in favor of socialism are just people that somehow or another wound up at the bottom of the capitalist food chain.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Do you agree it includes services and not just goods produced in industrial factories?
The "means of production" would include some
services IMO, eg, plumbing, accounting, carpentry,
HVAC, legal, transport, housing.
I don't see health care of people as "the means of
production". But even if you do, a single payer
system would be an element of socialism, but
wouldn't singularly make an economy socialist.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
But then all of the economy would be capitalistic either. It would be a combination of the 2, so it would be both wrong to call the ecomony just capitalistic or just socialistic in both cases.
How is a judge capitalistic as a part of the legal system?
Judges aren't the means of production.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
They render a service, just as cops, firefighters and the military.
Service: the action of helping or doing work for someone.
They do work for (the) people, who need that kind of work.
And stop leaving out services, which were a part of the definition you gave.
Are you claiming that all services
are "the means of production"?
Even Donald Trump's?
I say that they don't produce anything,
so I wouldn't include them. Accounting
services differ in that they're integral to
the means of production.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, Trump makes money be doing a service to some people, so yes. Besides the companies he has.
I've nothing to add.
(It seems neither do you.)
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So we agree that judges provide a product and are paid to provide that product?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Why? the Mao era has about the same relevance today as pre revolution America.
However the Mao era did change China from an imperial society entrenched in serfdom.
Into one with expectations of freedom and equality.
That was both transformative and exceedingly painful. And often misguided.
This Transformation was distorted by both wars with Japan and Civil war against the remains of the imperial army, who fled to Taiwan and established their rule over the native people. That civil war was never resolved..
Fortunately the Mao period was surprisingly short and his successors have led to an exceptional period of rapid moderation and scientific and social progress to become the leading industrial and commercial country in the world. With the most advanced communication and transport infrastructure when compared to any western country. It has also built up probably the most resilient defence force in the world. And most likely the only one capable of replacing attrition losses in real time...
It has by far the largest qualified STEM workforce in the world.
Last edited:
OK, pay close attention....
When I point out that socialism has been a miserable
experience every time it's been tried, I'll cite not just
current examples, but also historical ones. This is
necessary to paint a full picture. China's socialist
history was one of brutal oppression & starvation.