Some Mormon missionaries tried to talk to me.

[Watchmen]

If you notice, I said things like "traditionally," and "in some places." And then after I further flesh out a more full and detailed response, you post that?

Yep. Didn't see another post. "Traditionally" free speech is protected and your post that I quoted was incorrect, traditionally speaking.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

It's all been respectful.

No it hasn't. You might think that it has been - just as you think I'm somehow enraged by all this - but your many assumptions on our character and lives has been far less than respectful.

Your complaint is that someone would dare to have the audacity to share such ideas in the first place.

Putting words in my mouth, now? Good thing my statements here, here, andhere clearly indicate that I am not against the sharing of ideas. What should be clear - if you've been paying attention, that is - is that door-to-door solicitation is not a sharing of ideas, it is a dictation of beliefs. Furthermore, my "complaint" is - as has been stated repeatedly - that they are coming to my door for it all. There is a place for everything, and another's home is not the place to peddle your beliefs.

And to be clear, for anyone; I'd have the exact same reaction to a couple of Wiccans dropping by to inform me of The Goddess and her message for me.

Chill out.

Stop spreading false accusations and assumptions and we'll see.

Uh, no. Knocking on your door to attempt a sale, which is explicitly allowed, is not "intrusion".

If it has been made clear the second time that such a pitch is not wanted, and is clearly bothersome and annoying, then it is absolutely an intrusion. Just because they are legally allowed (or not, depending on displayed signs of deterrence), does not mean that I must greet them politely.

Which also covers your misapplication of "intrude", and the claim that I'm using it incorrectly.

In society, we share. We share the environment where there may be the free exchange of ideas.

As stated before, the "environment" of society stops at my door. When those "kindly little kids" come to my door, they're no longer treating with society and it's comforts, they're treating with me.

Maybe the solution to all this is to teach these upstanding interruptions to social harmony is to train them to truly learn about other cultures and religions. Don't treat them as a hobby or fancy, or dismiss them outright as false. (Because shocker: you don't have to accept someone's belief to not tell them that they're wrong).

Or maybe, do away with the whole intrusive system, because people have a wealth of information at the tip of their fingers, and if they're really curious about your church they'll stop by. Maybe spruce up the front lawn billboards out in front of the churches, and make their phrases more interesting. See? Those are even on church property, so someone would have to be exceptionally callous and bitter to try and argue against their display.

This is not a forum to create adversarial conflict.

This specifically is a forum to debate - here, to debate the ethical nature of intruding on another's home and life. If adversary relations form, well, such is the nature of debate. But neither is this a forum where people have to take your belief-message laying down.

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Move along by shutting the door. How hard is that? Maybe don't answer in the first place.

As stated before, maybe don't go door-to-door in the first place.

I doubt it.
Door-to-Door Solicitation

That link leads to a record of someone trying to expand proselytizing laws already in effect.

"an ordinance that limited solicitation of contributions door-to-door by charitable organizations to those which use at least 75% of their receipts directly for charitable purposes, defined so as to exclude the expenses of solicitation, salaries, overhead, and other administrative expenses, was invalidated as overbroad."

It also makes note of a court striking down a posed ordinance in Ohio to impose permits to proselytize. You - door-to-door god-peddlers - are still required to abstain from soliciting in locations (homes, apartments, businesses, etc) that have "No Soliciting" signs displayed. Furthermore it is the responsibility of the solicitor, not the resident, to observe these signs. Failure to do so is deviation from the law, and opens offenders to punitive action.

 

[Grumpuss]

What's your intent here? To bait and then report people again? No dice- get some other tactic, dude.

Oh, you must just be soooo proud.

That I'm an atheist, that I lied about not seeing any advertisements at all, that I think I know more than everybody else, that I don't listen to other people, that I've been reporting people, that I'm using hyperbole, and that I'm trying to bait people.

You did lie about seeing ads. Everyone sees ads on the Internet. And clearly you don't listen to anyone. Multiple people on this thread have told you there's no conspiracy against you, and still you insist there must be. Oh I get it- you're just never wrong?

I'm not that petty, and wouldn't waste their time or tax payer money over such a thing. But, yes, it is annoying that they would leave their nonsense on my car, something that I became responsible for properly disposing of - not that it was really a hassle, but leaving your crap on my car is not cool, even if it's something I would be interested in. If it's not a ticket from the cops, I expect people to leave their hands and other items off of my car. It's called basic/common decency and courtesy.

Everything you've posted to date on it seems contrary to that assertion. You're claiming the same people are harassing you, intruding upon you and being insulting to your religious philosophy. Now, these people are vandalizing your vehicle?!

They are the ones who create the "us vs them" by assuming the world is a "them," by thinking everyone needs to be an "us," and especially when you consider the ones who don't take "no" for an answer.

So there you were, just minding your own business...

Have I gave any indications they have? And what does that have to do with anything? You don't have to assault some one to be rude to them, inconsiderate to them, or violate a few different laws.

My mistake- I thought you said the same people are harassing you.

There are laws where I can tell telemarketers to quit calling. I can legally keep door-to-door salespeople away.

Have you done this here? Historical precedent says you can get a restraining order against your local Church of Latter-Day Saints.

I haven't been. Do you know what hyperbole means?

Yes, loudly complaining on a message board that you are being harassed by Mormon missionaries and that they're making your life miserable.

I don't consider them a mortal enemy, I've never talked of them in such terms, but yet--again--you assume this is how I see them.

Their religious philosophy seems to annoy you on a personal level. I mean, I don't share their philosophy either (the same with the Jehovah's Witnesses), but I don't take their spreading of gospel in airports, public street corners or airports as a personal affront to my dignity...

And again, and again, and again. Or they don't ring the door bell and approach you on the streets, and then there is no door you can shut on them.

It sounds as though you're bigoted against Mormons. You keep thinking all of them are the same, that all of them treat you the same, and that you are free to treat them as a faceless ediface, rather than actual individual people.

If you say no to the Girl Scouts, I've not known them to keep badgering, pestering, and becoming a nuisance about it.

I'm sure somewhere there are people who get annoyed at how they stake out supermarkets. Not you, of course...

 

[Katzpur]

Frank

You do understand that you are on a site that is run by mormons and your comment has brought you up against the "goon squad", right?

Will all of the staff (moderators and administrators) who are Mormons please stand up.

 

[Grumpuss]

And that is true. We can tell anyone to leave our property.

Yet that's not the issue here. Anyone has the right to enter an open access area, such as a walkway without a "no solicitation" sign. What's going on here, is annoyance over the type of message that is being advertised.

 

[David1967]

Will all of the staff (moderators and administrators) who are Mormons please stand up.

Right Katz. That comment was uncalled for. "Goon Squad"? Really? That comment should be reported. Done!

 

[Grumpuss]

No it hasn't. You might think that it has been - just as you think I'm somehow enraged by all this - but your many assumptions on our character and lives has been far less than respectful.

Please elaborate. Others have said you're overreacting, just close the door, chill out, etc. Is it a conspiracy against you?

Putting words in my mouth, now? Good thing my statements here, here, andhere clearly indicate that I am not against the sharing of ideas. What should be clear - if you've been paying attention, that is - is that door-to-door solicitation is not a sharing of ideas, it is a dictation of beliefs. Furthermore, my "complaint" is - as has been stated repeatedly - that they are coming to my door for it all. There is a place for everything, and another's home is not the place to peddle your beliefs.

As I explained, religious doctrine can be advertised just like a new vacuum cleaner, charity to provide goats to impoverished African villages or the next candidate for school board. You've already indicated you don't care so much about the other types of advertisement, so it's the particular religious message you find insulting, not the manner it's being shopped.

And to be clear, for anyone; I'd have the exact same reaction to a couple of Wiccans dropping by to inform me of The Goddess and her message for me.

Of course! Anything you've already made your mind up about and don't want to hear anything new about.

Stop spreading false accusations and assumptions and we'll see.

There have been no false accusations or assumptions made. "This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man."

If it has been made clear the second time that such a pitch is not wanted, and is clearly bothersome and annoying, then it is absolutely an intrusion. Just because they are legally allowed (or not, depending on displayed signs of deterrence), does not mean that I must greet them politely.

Are you on the "Do Not Call List"? If so, why not invest in a "No Solicitation" sign for your door?

Which also covers your misapplication of "intrude", and the claim that I'm using it incorrectly.

You are using it incorrectly.

As stated before, the "environment" of society stops at my door. When those "kindly little kids" come to my door, they're no longer treating with society and it's comforts, they're treating with me.

Maybe the solution to all this is to teach these upstanding interruptions to social harmony is to train them to truly learn about other cultures and religions. Don't treat them as a hobby or fancy, or dismiss them outright as false. (Because shocker: you don't have to accept someone's belief to not tell them that they're wrong).

Go for it. In my experience, these missionary kids are very pleasant and willing to listen to the people they're talking to. My aunt likes to invite them in and give them tea & cookies before explaining her own preferred religion. I don't know if you're too busy or inhospitable, but there's an option for you, too.

Or maybe, do away with the whole intrusive system, because people have a wealth of information at the tip of their fingers, and if they're really curious about your church they'll stop by. Maybe spruce up the front lawn billboards out in front of the churches, and make their phrases more interesting. See? Those are even on church property, so someone would have to be exceptionally callous and bitter to try and argue against their display.

These are all great suggestions. You should pitch them to your local branch of the LDS to see if the missionaries would consider doing that in lieu of disturbing your delicate constitution.

This specifically is a forum to debate - here, to debate the ethical nature of intruding on another's home and life. If adversary relations form, well, such is the nature of debate. But neither is this a forum where people have to take your belief-message laying down.

I think the admins would balk at allowing you or anyone else to attempt to turn any peaceful discussion of politics, theology or sports into an "Us vs. Them" / "We're right, you're wrong" screaming match.

As I said before, chill out.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

It was awkward. They never bothered with me before. Missionaries usually steer clear of me but there's usually a couple of Mormons riding the bus and walking around my area.

They noticed my Thor's Hammer pendant and asked what it was. I told them and one only thought of the damn comic book character, which made me a bit offended and is not the way to start a religious discussion with me. The other knew a bit more. Then they asked if I believe in "Norse mythology". I said yes and they tried to ask me what It's about, to me. I shut them down by telling them I wasn't interested in discussing religion. Then they tried to make small talk but I wasn't interested in that, either. Was pretty uncomfortable.

They also asked about my friend I was with,hat her name was and if she was interested in speaking with them, but she was smart enough to walk away from them in the first place and get on the phone with her mom. I soon joined her.

Strange. I am no fan of missionaries of any religion, whether it's the bigoted black Hebrew loons, Christians or Muslims. I have no plans or desire to return to any Abrahamic religion. I don't like it when they try to pretend they're interested in you as a person when they're truly not. It's so fake. Mormons are nice enough, but it's still sad, imo.

I also have been a target for several missionaries this year. I had an experience speaking to one missionary (Christian) who seemed like a genuinely caring person, but this was only on one occasion. I agree that most of them have a condescending arrogance about them that is likely subconscious. Nevertheless, it is quite irritating, especially for those of us who know we are more knowledgeable/intelligent than them.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Please elaborate.

Do you want me to list all the times that you've assumed about myself and Shadow Wolf, accusing us of making up the frequency of encounters, stating as fact your assumptions on actions that we've taken, accusing us of being deceptive to prove a point, etc?

You and three others can say we're overreacting all you want. I don't think we're reacting strongly enough.

You've already indicated you don't care so much about the other types of advertisement, so it's the particular religious message you find insulting, not the manner it's being shopped.

Wrong.

I find [Scouts] and the bell-mongers to be excessively annoying.

Also the mere fact that I have installed AdBlocker is clear indication that I don't like advertisement. You are half right in that the God Squad's message is more insulting, because the Scouts aren't keen to saying "If you eat Orville Redenbacher popcorn you're a sinner and going to hell; our popcorn is the one true popcorn and yours is false and wrong."

Imagine that. It can be as annoying as the rest, and still insulting at the same time.

Of course! Anything you've already made your mind up about and don't want to hear anything new about.

You do realize that Wiccan's share about 85% of the same beliefs that I have, right? Hell, to hit it on the nose I even find it annoying when fellow Heathens knock on my door assuming that a complete stranger is their "brother."

There's an over-arcing theme here that you're trying so very hard to ignore, grump; don't bug people you don't know at home. It would be like me taking a trip out to your church one Sunday and start telling people how and why they need Thor.

There have been no false accusations or assumptions made.

Okay, we're gonna list them.

Anyone so xenophobic that they become fearful or haughty towards pleasant, young, well-dressed missionaries is frankly disturbing.

And heathens and lost souls.

But for some reason, you've decided that religious missionaries have done harm to you, and are acceptable as targets for derision and shame.

Perhaps ask yourself why you maintain such a double standard, and if you consider it hypocrisy.

I'm not the one claiming to be deeply and personally insulted by some smiling kids, come to share God's love with you.

Seems like there may be more deep-seated issues, if you take such offense, when no one is forcing anything upon you.

Getting all worked up about one group's advertising and ranting about it is a sign of obsession and/or bigotry.

You believe you are better than everyone else, and take any newly introduced philosophy presented to you as an insulting challenge to your ego

you worry far too much about this stuff for someone who's a simple atheist. If you were so resolute in your belief, my guess is that you wouldn't take such huge offense at what some well-meaning teenage Mormon missionaries think about you.

You already don't like these missionaries, despite the fact that outwardly they are nothing but pleasant with you

you harbor deep animosity for them anyway because of some notion that they are judging you after you close the door.

might I suggest that you truly listen to what the Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses are trying to tell you.

I sincerely doubt it is the same missionaries.

These are just well-wishing people,

You're making a judgment call about them without knowing them either.

Perhaps you ought to invite them in next time, and share ideas.

If you wanted to stop such attempts, you could put a "No Solicitation" sign

Instead, you allow the knocks to continue and your own agitation to fester.

So you know these are the identical missionaries, and not merely different Latter-Day Saints preaching a similar message?

I think you're being intentionally deceptive to further your argument.

It just remains an interesting hypothetical until you actually try it.

They don't come that often AND you don't post any signs or display behavior to make them think they're unwelcome.

I think you should try being honest with yourself more.

This is about self-victimization and having such ego problems that even someone knocking on your door becomes an offense.

You were invited to learn.

You're just mildly annoyed that someone had the gaul to express ideas with which you disagree.

you are enraged and spittle is accumulating on your screen

Your complaint is that someone would dare to have the audacity to share such ideas in the first place.

You're getting bent out of shape over some kindly kids (misguided or not) daring to wish you well and offer you a choice.

Everyone sees ads on the Internet.

clearly you don't listen to anyone.

You're claiming the same people are harassing you, intruding upon you and being insulting to your religious philosophy. Now, these people are vandalizing your vehicle?!

Their religious philosophy seems to annoy you on a personal level.

What's going on here, is annoyance over the type of message that is being advertised.

why not invest in a "No Solicitation" sign for your door?

You are using it incorrectly.

I'm going to trust the dictionary over the word of someone keen to language pollution, thanks.

In my experience,

Your experience does not speak for everyone, and you haven't the slightest clue how Paganism is addressed and dismissed by the God Squad.

I think the admins would balk at allowing you or anyone else to attempt to turn any peaceful discussion of politics, theology or sports into an "Us vs. Them" / "We're right, you're wrong" screaming match.

"Us vs. Them" - as well as reckonings of rightness and wrongness - exists so long as there are sides to be drawn. This does not prelude nor necessitate aggravation or rudeness (here, your attitude has not helped in this), and can be seen in any debate across the entire forum. Adversarial conflict can be as mild as disagreement and argument, or as violent as war; so long as two sides exist in ideological opposition, adversaries they will be.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Everyone sees ads on the Internet.

Not this *****.

Their religious philosophy seems to annoy you on a personal level.

Since you still aren't even acknowledging what it is that I have actually been complaining about and instead inserting tons of hyperbole, we're done.

 

[Watchmen]

As stated before, maybe don't go door-to-door in the first place.


That link leads to a record of someone trying to expand proselytizing laws already in effect.

"an ordinance that limited solicitation of contributions door-to-door by charitable organizations to those which use at least 75% of their receipts directly for charitable purposes, defined so as to exclude the expenses of solicitation, salaries, overhead, and other administrative expenses, was invalidated as overbroad."

It also makes note of a court striking down a posed ordinance in Ohio to impose permits to proselytize. You - door-to-door god-peddlers - are still required to abstain from soliciting in locations (homes, apartments, businesses, etc) that have "No Soliciting" signs displayed. Furthermore it is the responsibility of the solicitor, not the resident, to observe these signs. Failure to do so is deviation from the law, and opens offenders to punitive action.

Yeah. It's a link to a Supreme Court opinion. Anyway, it's not that hard. People are free to go door to door. People are free to post no soliciting signs, and missionaries should observe those signs.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

They don't come that often AND you don't post any signs or display behavior to make them think they're unwelcome.

Your religion hasn't taught you to respect other people? I don't go around knocking on doors for whatever reason. If your name's not on the deed and it's a residential and not a commercial property, this isnt' some RPG ... don't assume you can just walk onto other people's property.

I don't get what the big deal is. A couple kids try to share something they believe in because, among other things, they think it's improved their life. What's so wrong about that? If you're not interested just say, "No thank you," and move along.

Tell them to make a youtube about it. Don't harass people ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

This is about self-victimization

And the snowflakes whining that people resent them just walking onto private property aren't saying they're victims?

I'm not a Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses and don't share any characteristics with them, other than being a Christian.

You share their unbelievable arrogance and lack of respect.

I don't go to YOUR house and bother YOU, so why do that to others?

Your complaint is that someone would dare to have the audacity to share such ideas in the first place.

I didn't realize we were to the point where it was horrible to expect just some basic respect regarding privacy.

In society, we share.

And if Satanists come to tell you the glories of Lucifer, I'll expect videos of how wonderfully you handled that conversation.

You may consider posting a sign at your gate along the lines of "No soliciting, religious or otherwise."

Can I just walk onto your property? If kids are riding their bikes all over your yard, do you go "gee, they're just some smiling kids"?

We can tell anyone to leave our property.

How many times, though, before it has to sink in?

Others have said you're overreacting, just close the door, chill out, etc. Is it a conspiracy against you?

I just can't believe common decency and respect for privacy needs giant neon signs saying "no trespassing" in order for it to be considered. I mean, I've lived among people who were proud of the idea that if you ended up on their property, even if it's acres of nothing but trees or grass, you can be shot. They won't bother with police. It just seems pathetically stupid to me to risk that kind of reaction. There are far safer ways to get points across that are also more respectful.

Are you on the "Do Not Call List"?

I am. You'd be amazed how many damned sales calls I still get. LACK OF RESPECT. A sign isn't going to sway some people.

People are free to go door to door.

It's not safe to do so in many places. I won't mourn anyone who walks into a trigger-happy person's yard, to be frank.

 

[Desert Snake]

Some JW's came up to me in a public park,

 

[Grumpuss]

Do you want me to list all the times that you've assumed about myself and Shadow Wolf, accusing us of making up the frequency of encounters, stating as fact your assumptions on actions that we've taken, accusing us of being deceptive to prove a point, etc?

You and three others can say we're overreacting all you want. I don't think we're reacting strongly enough.

You're becoming needlessly confrontational. Please attempt not to frame everything in "Us vs. Them" terms.

Wrong.

Not wrong.

Also the mere fact that I have installed AdBlocker is clear indication that I don't like advertisement. You are half right in that the God Squad's message is more insulting, because the Scouts aren't keen to saying "If you eat Orville Redenbacher popcorn you're a sinner and going to hell; our popcorn is the one true popcorn and yours is false and wrong."

Exactly. It's the type of advertisement you hate, not the fact that there's an advertisement at all.

You do realize that Wiccan's share about 85% of the same beliefs that I have, right? Hell, to hit it on the nose I even find it annoying when fellow Heathens knock on my door assuming that a complete stranger is their "brother."

Strawman. Wiccans don't proselytize in this manner. It would be like me bringing up ice cream shops like Baskin Robbins or Sweet Frog and saying, "Well, you're not rude to them when they show up at your door with a free sample, Derp!" -- because such groups don't advertise like that.

There's an over-arcing theme here that you're trying so very hard to ignore, grump; don't bug people you don't know at home. It would be like me taking a trip out to your church one Sunday and start telling people how and why they need Thor.

Why are you telling me? Why don't you tell it to the Mormons, when they actually send their representatives to your precious sanctum sanctorum?

Okay, we're gonna list them.

Full o' lies. Who are you trying to kid? Also "lost souls" was a third person judgment, not mine. Try not to be so hyperactive about it.

I'm going to trust the dictionary over the word of someone keen to language pollution, thanks.

LOL.

Your experience does not speak for everyone, and you haven't the slightest clue how Paganism is addressed and dismissed by the God Squad.

Boo-hoo. I don't believe anyone introduced such an assertion in this thread. More framing in "Us vs. Them" terms...

"Us vs. Them" - as well as reckonings of rightness and wrongness - exists so long as there are sides to be drawn. This does not prelude nor necessitate aggravation or rudeness (here, your attitude has not helped in this), and can be seen in any debate across the entire forum. Adversarial conflict can be as mild as disagreement and argument, or as violent as war; so long as two sides exist in ideological opposition, adversaries they will be.

Sorry, no. That's entirely fallacious. Remain civil and avoid ganging up on others, please.

 

[Grumpuss]

Not this *****.

Please refrain from cursing please.

Since you still aren't even acknowledging what it is that I have actually been complaining about and instead inserting tons of hyperbole, we're done.

I doubt that. You seem incapable of leaving anything alone.

Yeah. It's a link to a Supreme Court opinion. Anyway, it's not that hard. People are free to go door to door. People are free to post no soliciting signs, and missionaries should observe those signs.

Exactly. Answering the door repeatedly, when no sign has been posted or police called to stop the repeated "harassment", and then seething about it online afterward -- is deleterious behavior.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah. It's a link to a Supreme Court opinion. Anyway, it's not that hard. People are free to go door to door. People are free to post no soliciting signs, and missionaries should observe those signs.

I've been thinking of what I'd want my sign to say.
I'm leaning towards.....
QUICKLY TURN AROUND & LEAVE IF.....
- WE ARE NOT EXPECTING YOU
- WE DON'T KNOW YOU
- YOU DON'T HAVE A WARRANT

 

[Grumpuss]

Your religion hasn't taught you to respect other people? I don't go around knocking on doors for whatever reason. If your name's not on the deed and it's a residential and not a commercial property, this isnt' some RPG ... don't assume you can just walk onto other people's property.

Don't bring rocket-propelled grenades into it. Other people can peacefully approach a house in pursuit of making a sale. Residential vs. commercial doesn't enter into it either; signs and placards stating "No Solicitation" can be posted at either. In fact, commercial properties commonly do this.

Tell them to make a youtube about it. Don't harass people ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

In the United States, it's not harassment to knock on someone's door, unless told otherwise. The U.S. Constitution and all that... It's not up to you or anyone else to fix upon YouTube as the only medium people can use to get their message across.

And the snowflakes whining that people resent them just walking onto private property aren't saying they're victims?

No one is being victimized.

You share their unbelievable arrogance and lack of respect.

Why? I don't proselytize. Because I don't share your outrage that someone would dare to knock on another's door with a well-meaning message?

I don't go to YOUR house and bother YOU, so why do that to others?

Again, I don't do this. People offended should take this up with LDS or JWs at the time. Not fail to tell them or their parent organization or the cops, if the solicitation continues.

I didn't realize we were to the point where it was horrible to expect just some basic respect regarding privacy.

No one is invading anyone's privacy. People have maintained registered addresses as a point of law for centuries. Society has never outlawed the ability to knock on a door, in the course of advertising something, or anything else.

And if Satanists come to tell you the glories of Lucifer, I'll expect videos of how wonderfully you handled that conversation.

Why bring Satanists into it? Why are they any more or less allowed to operate under the U.S. Constitution's 1st Amendment?

Can I just walk onto your property? If kids are riding their bikes all over your yard, do you go "gee, they're just some smiling kids"?

In a word, yes. Unless the property is secured with signs stating how to enter, drop off packages, or drop off notices & advertisements, people are actually able to walk up to your porch and ring the bell. Shocking, I know.

How many times, though, before it has to sink in?

Before what?

I just can't believe common decency and respect for privacy needs giant neon signs saying "no trespassing" in order for it to be considered. I mean, I've lived among people who were proud of the idea that if you ended up on their property, even if it's acres of nothing but trees or grass, you can be shot. They won't bother with police. It just seems pathetically stupid to me to risk that kind of reaction. There are far safer ways to get points across that are also more respectful.

Take it up with your local and state lawmakers then. I didn't make the rules.

I am. You'd be amazed how many damned sales calls I still get. LACK OF RESPECT. A sign isn't going to sway some people.

That's indeed very interesting. Others have stated that they don't even know what ads and sales calls look like...

It's not safe to do so in many places. I won't mourn anyone who walks into a trigger-happy person's yard, to be frank.

Yeah, because gunning someone down is an appropriate response?!?

Some JW's came up to me in a public park,

Do tell. Did you survive the encounter?

 

[Grumpuss]

I've been thinking of what I'd want my sign to say.
I'm leaning towards.....
QUICKLY TURN AROUND & LEAVE IF.....
- WE ARE NOT EXPECTING YOU
- WE DON'T KNOW YOU
- YOU DON'T HAVE A WARRANT

I like the last one. Seems like you have something to hide though.

 

[Revoltingest]

I like the last one. Seems like you have something to hide though.

I do have something to hide from government.....
Everything

If they've a mind to, everything you say, do, or have (no
matter how innocent or innocuous) can be used against you.

 

[Grumpuss]

I do have something to hide from government.....
Everything

If they've a mind to, everything you say, do (no matter how
innocent or innocuous) kor have can be used against you.

HELLO, FACELESS NSA DRONE -- NOTHING TO SEE HERE!