Some Mormon missionaries tried to talk to me.

[The Kilted Heathen]

Aye, that's just false representation.

 

[David1967]

Can I just walk onto your property? If kids are riding their bikes all over your yard, do you go "gee, they're just some smiling kids"?

Different scenario than I was talking about. I have never had any JW or Mormon missionary act pushy or rude to me if I said sorry not interested. If asked to leave and they did not, then that is a different story. One I have never experienced. As far as kids riding bicycles on my yard? In the words of old men everywhere "GET OFF MY LAWN!!"

How many times, though, before it has to sink in?

One time per individual. Past that and it can be regarded as trespassing. But again, I have never had a negative experience with any missionary not respecting my personal space. However there was this guy with a refrigerated truck selling steak that was incredibly rude. Had to be very direct with this guy.

 

[Grumpuss]

How conceited.

The whole world's against you, baby. Keep alternating playing as victim and the queen of insults. See what that gets you.

Aye, that's just false representation.

Oh noes- you don't know how to treat Watchmen, now that you can't put him in a labeled box!

Different scenario than I was talking about. I have never had any JW or Mormon missionary act pushy or rude to me if I said sorry not interested. If asked to leave and they did not, then that is a different story. One I have never experienced. As far as kids riding bicycles on my yard? In the words of old men everywhere "GET OFF MY LAWN!!"

Do you get the feeling that you're the lone exception, and generally, these rampaging mobs of Mormon kids are wreaking havoc and committing home invasions to pummel their victims with the Book of Mormon?

One time per individual. Past that and it can be regarded as trespassing. But again, I have never had a negative experience with any missionary not respecting my personal space. However there was this guy with a refrigerated truck selling steak that was incredibly rude. Had to be very direct with this guy.

That's because it's not in their best interest to annoy you with the 'hard sell'. Think about it: they're asking you to join them in church. Kinda hard to do that if you hated your introduction to the faith.

 

[Watchmen]

Why is you religion field marked as 'LDS'?

It shouldn't be. I left the Church years ago. I still post in the LDS DIR given my familiarity with the Church. I'm still listed as a member on their rolls. But I don't believe in Joseph smith or the Book of Mormon or a living prophet, etc. I don't live by LDS teachings. I don't pay tithing. I don't obey the Word of Wisdom. BUT, that doesn't mean I won't come to the defense of the Church when people are just being stupid (like saying they wouldn't mourn an 18 year old missionary if he is murdered while knocking on doors).

 

[Katzpur]

It shouldn't be. I left the Church years ago.

The information on your profile still lists your religion as LDS, Watchmen. I think that's where the confusion is coming from.

By the way, I marched with Mormons Building Bridges in Salt Lake City's Pride Parade this morning. What an incredible experience -- as always.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

What is all the problem about? So some Mormons tried to talk to someone. Can't you just say "not interested"? I am more upset by all the robo calls I get on my phone where someone tries to sell me something. Try to solve that problem and leave the poor missionary kids alone. They will not bother you if you tell them you are not interested but the robo calls keep coming.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What is all the problem about? So some Mormons tried to talk to someone. Can't you just say "not interested"? I am more upset by all the robo calls I get on my phone where someone tries to sell me something. Try to solve that problem and leave the poor missionary kids alone. They will not bother you if you tell them you are not interested but the robo calls keep coming.

I don't want to be bothered by them at all. Is that too much to ask for? I don't like being bothered by strangers in general, but especially not fake people who only act "nice" because they're trying to convert you. It's all an act. On some level I pity them.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The whole world's against you, baby. Keep alternating playing as victim and the queen of insults. See what that gets you.

Oh noes- you don't know how to treat Watchmen, now that you can't put him in a labeled box!

It's interesting that you haven't changed this yet. Do you honestly find nothing wrong with it, or do you just not care? I certainly won't report this post, but such level of condescension and wanton insult is completely unnecessary.

Do you get the feeling that you're the lone exception, and generally, these rampaging mobs of Mormon kids are wreaking havoc and committing home invasions to pummel their victims with the Book of Mormon?

And the Oscar goes to... someone else.

You're also confusing intrusion with invasion. While they sound similar, they are two different things.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

...that doesn't mean I won't come to the defense of the Church when people are just being stupid (like saying they wouldn't mourn an 18 year old missionary if he is murdered while knocking on doors).

Have you realized yet that you're addressing the wrong person for that? It's a poor defense of your former faith when you can't be bothered to pay close attention to other posters, and wildly fire off statements of disgust and condemnation.

 

[Watchmen]

Have you realized yet that you're addressing the wrong person for that? It's a poor defense of your former faith when you can't be bothered to pay close attention to other posters, and wildly fire off statements of disgust and condemnation.

I knew who I was talking to and provided an example. Learn to read.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I knew who I was talking to and provided an example. Learn to read.

Sure didn't seem like it here:

The first time, no. The second or third time, yes. It is also incredibly poor show to call someone a "big baby" when all they want is to be left alone for your man-god message.

It's not my message. And I think your statement about not mourning these kids getting killed is disgusting and far outweighs me calling you a big baby. I'm not going to waste another keystroke responding to your garbage posts.

You actually got the subject wrong twice.

 

[Grumpuss]

Since all the content in this forum mostly belongs to @Revoltingest, I suggest we rename the website.

It's interesting that you haven't changed this yet. Do you honestly find nothing wrong with it, or do you just not care? I certainly won't report this post, but such level of condescension and wanton insult is completely unnecessary.


And the Oscar goes to... someone else.

You're also confusing intrusion with invasion. While they sound similar, they are two different things.

As I've suggested to you before: chill out.

Also, stop trolling Watchmen. He doesn't deserve it.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I deeply apologize on behalf of all Christians who respect others, guys.

The hubris and hypocrisy on this thread alone, and elsewhere, is astounding.

I've also discovered that when you disturb others with threats of hell, it's okay. When you, out of the kindness of your heart, warn that there are violent people out there and not to be so quick to go where you don't belong, it's offensive. Why, to THINK, that a religion that values martyrdom wouldn't want to support Jesus at the cost of their lives like Jesus said! Could it be that evangelicals know that the threat of hell is stupid and unlikely, and the reason the warning about gun nuts is offensive is because it's LIKELY? (I've lived in whitebread rural America, mostly whitebread suburban America, and ghettos. I was safer in the ghettos, to be honest.)

I would say this isn't very Christian, but I remind everyone that the apostles, from the OG ones to Paul's imaginary occupation, ran from trouble all the time. It's great when you are cheerleading for Christ up until the po po arrive.

Evangelicals love hell. They think God is just for sending people to eternal torment for what is essentially a shallow label. They just don't want to be bothered with negative consequences of their lack of respect.

Really, they should just chill out and grow up....

[this metaphor was brought to you by the letters F and ...]

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm not a Mormon, sir. And I don't broadcast my faith around either.

I didn't say you were Mormon. And even if you don't proselytize yourself, you're defending the practice.

Forgive me for standing up for my fellow Americans' constitutional right to practice their own free speech and free religion.

You're defending "constitutional rights"? Please point me to any post in this thread where anyone argued that proselytizing should be made illegal.

All I've seen is people describing proselytizing in negative terms and expressing a desire not to be hassled. You have no constitutional right to be thought well of or to be welcomed by the strangers you cold-call.

Who is demeaning people?

You are.

I'm questioning why you take personal affront to answering your own door for a couple of Mormon kids?

Why are you so focused on the age of the kids and not the doctrines they're peddling or the church that sent them?

Edit: kids about the same age as Mormon missionaries often show up at my door to sell me scammy energy contracts. How should their age factor into my opinion of the scam in that case? After all, they're just kids, right?

 

[Grumpuss]

I didn't say you were Mormon. And even if you don't proselytize yourself, you're defending the practice.

Why wouldn't I? It's 100% legal and related to exercise of both free speech and free religion.

You're defending "constitutional rights"? Please point me to any post in this thread where anyone argued that proselytizing should be made illegal.

Multiple times, it's been asserted that it's "wrong" to knock on doors and talk to people. Non-religious forms of advertisement, where it's suggested that a new X product is needed don't seem to offend, until spiritual belief is challenged, at which point it's viewed as highly insulting that anyone would ever knock on their door for a religious purpose. One delicate flower even described answering his own door for such people as an "intrusion" and said his privacy was being violated.

All I've seen is people describing proselytizing in negative terms and expressing a desire not to be hassled. You have no constitutional right to be thought well of or to be welcomed by the strangers you cold-call.

I'm afraid good manners and good taste don't have distinctions provided for them in the Constitution.

You are.

When was this?

Why are you so focused on the age of the kids and not the doctrines they're peddling or the church that sent them?

Why are you so focused on the doctrines of the church being peddled as so harmful?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The whole world's against you, baby. Keep alternating playing as victim and the queen of insults. See what that gets you.

This is just precious coming from the poster who thinks Christian religious liberty is imperilled by people saying they'd rather not be the target of missionary activity.

I'm not a Mormon, sir. And I don't broadcast my faith around either. Forgive me for standing up for my fellow Americans' constitutional right to practice their own free speech and free religion.

Keep playing to the Christian persecution complex - both it and Christian privilege are rife in this thread.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why wouldn't I? It's 100% legal and related to exercise of both free speech and free religion.

Going door-to-door flipping people the bird would also be legal and the exercise of free speech.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's a good idea. Or ethical. Or having a positive impact on the world.

Multiple times, it's been asserted that it's "wrong" to knock on doors and talk to people. Non-religious forms of advertisement, where it's suggested that a new X product is needed don't seem to offend, until spiritual belief is challenged, at which point it's viewed as highly insulting that anyone would ever knock on their door for a religious purpose. One delicate flower even described answering his own door for such people as an "intrusion" and said his privacy was being violated.

It is being violated, just not in an illegal way.

And if you think we should treat god-botherers like other door-to-door salespeople... well, in my town, door-to-door salespeople need municipal permits and can have those permits taken away if the town gets complaints. Is that the regime that you want for proselytizers to work under?

I'm afraid good manners and good taste don't have distinctions provided for them in the Constitution.

Indeed. Case in point: proselytizing is legal.

When was this?

In this very post, you described someone as a "delicate flower". There are plenty of similar examples in your other posts.

Why are you so focused on the doctrines of the church being peddled as so harmful?

We haven't even gotten into specific doctrines yet. What thread are you reading?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

As I've suggested to you before: chill out.
Also, stop trolling Watchmen. He doesn't deserve it.

It's hardly trolling when I am falsely accused of something, and then am able to show the very clear error. Also given your post before this one, continually telling me to "chill out" (especially when you don't know my chill level, after all) is quite presumptuous. Especially with crap like this:

One delicate flower even described answering his own door for such people as an "intrusion" and said his privacy was being violated.

Given that I provided the very clear definition of intrusion, I think you know what you can do with your double standards.

 

[David1967]

Do you get the feeling that you're the lone exception, and generally, these rampaging mobs of Mormon kids are wreaking havoc and committing home invasions to pummel their victims with the Book of Mormon?

LOL. I actually enjoy talking with people from different religious traditions to ever ask them to leave, so long as they are respectful toward me. Ive never even heard of any "rampaging mobs" of Mormon or JW's wreaking havoc. This thread has been fun, but I really don't see any relevant problem unless the person asked them to leave and they refused. I've been a police officer for 10 years and have never had anyone report harassment by missionary.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I've been a police officer for 10 years and have never had anyone report harassment by missionary.

In many areas, a non-Christian would normally be very reluctant to report harassment by a Christian proselytizer to the police.