The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
'Kay. And I'm refusing to discuss it further with you, because of conduct on the past few pages. Chill out, don't be so confrontational.
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Some Mormon missionaries tried to talk to me.
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Grumpuss
Active Member
That's okay. I forgive your conduct.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Oh my God people. Give it a rest. So a couple of kids knocked on your door. Just say not interested. Try to do something about the bigger problem of SPAM email. I get dozens and it annoys me every day but I don't take to the internet to bellyache about it. Until now, when I see people bellyaching about a non existant problem. Put a sign on your door saying you don't want religious missionaries to knock. Then go solve the big problems of the world.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Gee, it's almost like we haven't thought or tried of that exact same solution...
Lostwanderingsoul suggested a sign saying no religious missionaries. You linked to a post about no solicitation. There's a difference.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Religious missionaries are solicitors.
Religious solicitation is still solicitation.
I would think that someone who decided to insert themselves into a thread to complain about an issue that doesn't affect them would have more empathy for venting.
If proselytizing is a non-existent problem, how much of a non-issue is the thing you're complaining about: people who dislike proselytizing?
Like you're doing?
You're not following. I don't disagree. It was about putting a sign up specific to religion.
So you're trying to address that narrow spectrum of proselytizers who would ignore one sign, but not two?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
The elephant in the room that you and the Christians on this thread are deliberately ignoring is that in Ragin's case this does not work.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Then Ragin needs to stop opening the door or if he opens it and sees who it is then close it in their face. People knock on doors all the time and it is not as big a deal as it is being described. Ragin is just showing that he is not interested in religion and wants to make a big deal out of it. What happens when Girl Scouts try to sell him cookies? Does he go into a rage for days? Enough is enough.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Next , you can try a sign that reads "Missionaries will be shot" and see if that gets the peace that you deserve.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I handle inconveniences, such as dumb kids coming to my door trying to talk about theology, the same way I handle actual problems: I give it the amount of time, consideration, and effort it requires to handle it, and don't waste time praying about it. The former requires nothing more than a passing thought and a clear word about not being interested - the latter often requires considerably more effort, stress, and time.
I expect that you never complain about inconveniences?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Why should I allow religious solicitors to force me into hermitage? I think you're mistaking how this whole "free speech" thing works; they've come to my door, so they've invited my opinions on the issue. My opening the door - my door - doesn't grant them any upper hand or assumed further right.
Described by who? Because a lot of words have been put in my mouth.
I have a religion already. Christianity is not the only religion in this land,
In my town, at least, they no longer go door-to-door. The Boy Scouts either. They camp out at grocery stores, which as noted previously, isn't the same as coming to my door.
Yes, enough is enough. So perhaps the people in this thread who are for proselytizing can take a message back to their church leaders - since we're obviously not being listened to - that the whole operation needs to just end. You've got your beliefs, we've got ours; live and let live. And if someone is interested in Jesus, or even your church, they'll either stop by or take to the internet to learn about it. But if you're going to come to our doors, be prepared for a range of receptions.
I agree. Someone showing up at a random person's door to sell them a religion shouldn't assume or demand that all the responses will be positive.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Why does Ragin need to engage in social seclusion in order to stop being bothered by door preachers? For that matter, why is it assumed that Ragin should be the one who has to make reasonable accommodations in this situation? These people are coming onto his property uninvited - in fact they're deliberately ignoring signs telling them they're not welcome. Surely they should be the ones who should be respecting his signposted desire to not be badgered by solicitors, least of all Abrahamic dogma salesmen. If they can't respect his stated desires for privacy then why shouldn't Ragin be irritated? You honestly make it sound as though Ragin is being irrational for daring to have feelings other than blind acceptance of Christian conversion attempts he has repeatedly made clear are not welcome.
See, it's statements like this that makes non-Christians realise that some Christians really couldn't give a flying **** about the people they're trying to convert. We're just sales targets to you people. How on earth would you know whether Ragin's experience is false or genuine? Do you live in the same city as he does? The same street? Are you his neighbour? If the answer to these is 'no' then sit the **** down and stop hitting out with this nonsense that Ragin can only be doing this because he hates Christianity. As has been pointed out to you, Ragin is religious; he keeps more gods than most people. Enough of this 'Pagans aren't religious' crap. That false equivalence with Girls Scouts has already been brought up and defeated too: the Girl Scouts in Ragin's area don't knock on doors. That aside, if the Girl Scouts did bother him, I'm sure he could merely call up their local den or headquarters or whatever and ask them to tell the girls to avoid his door. Pretty sure you can't do that with churches...
This post of yours is bull****. You're suggesting that Ragin engage in the same sort of paranoid-shut-in-ism that he's already being accused of in this thread simply for just saying he's been having problems. He can't win; if he doesn't shut himself away he's just a 'whiner' who 'won't do anything about the problem'. If he does then he's a paranoid drama queen who hates Christianity.
So which is it?
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Someone made the suggestion that he post a sign saying no religious missionaries. He then referenced a general no solicitation sign. I can't help you recognize the difference.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Bollocksing over the fact that religious missionaries are still soliciting, and so a "no soliciting" sign very much so applies to them. They're just bad at reading, I suppose.
Yes, indeed there is; one which has yet to receive any justification for being so bothersome and critical.