Someone of Muslim Faith....

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

The Quran says that the Tora and the Gospel are Light and Guidance. It teaches to believe in them, and uphold them, and Judge with the Gospel.

All that anti Bible messages are just a fabrication made by the sectarians. They dont want the Arabs to read other Scriptures. They dont want them to see the bigger picture. Else their whole fabricated religion based on narrations will crumble.

ok so is it a contradiction if the Quran describes Jesus has merely a prophet and the gospels clearly identify Jesus as the son of God?

I'm asking to be clear not to be condescending

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

ok so is it a contradiction if the Quran describes Jesus has merely a prophet and the gospels clearly identify Jesus as the son of God?

I'm asking to be clear not to be condescending

The Quran warns to call Christ the literal Son. That would mean that there are two Gods.

Everyone is a Son of God if they follow God. Christ is THE Son of God since he is Christ.

The Quran speaks with the term children of God.
So context is key.

The Quran doesnt reject the crucifixion. It only says that they shouldnt boast with ''we crucified and killed Christ'', because Christ is Risen.
The Quran clearly says Judge with the Gospel. Uphold the Tora and the Gospel.

Context is key. And dont let sectarians distort it.
Go and read the Quran. Muhammad in the Quran confirmed Christ in the Flesh.

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

The Quran warns to call Christ the literal Son. That would mean that there are two Gods.

Everyone is a Son of God if they follow God. Christ is THE Son of God since he is Christ.

The Quran speaks with the term children of God.
So context is key.

The Quran doesnt reject the crucifixion. It only says that they shouldnt boast with ''we crucified and killed Christ'', because Christ is Risen.
The Quran clearly says Judge with the Gospel. Uphold the Tora and the Gospel.

Context is key. And dont let sectarians distort it.
Go and read the Quran. Muhammad in the Quran confirmed Christ in the Flesh.

Context is everything and I appreciate your break down I have a few more questions. in context when scripture refers to Jesus as the Only-Begotten Son what does that mean?

a Few Examples: James 1:14 KJV

"14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."


1 John 4:9 KJV

"9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him."

I'm willing to quote any bible you deem accurate because every translation of scripture I've read (I have not read them all lol) used Only Begotten as a distinction between us and Christ in regards to being a son

again Asking for Clarity

 

[Anthem]

Nah that's just a fabrication which you are spreading.

The Quran in 5:68 tells the people of the Book to uphold the Tora and the Gospel. And in 5:47 it tells us to Judge with the Gospel. The real believers are those who believe in the Quran, and the Previous Scriptures, 2:4. We believe in the Scriptures and in the Prophets, 2:285.

The only ones who are disbelieving are the sectarians. The Sunnis, Catholics, Pharisees etc. mainly all organised religions. They reject the Scriptures and turn to what is invented and fabricated and uphold it besides the Scriptures.
Such as the ahadith, trinity, talmud etc. they uphold it besides the Quran, Gospel and Tora.

But the word isn't disbeliever but unbeliever.
Supposing at least unbeliever can be translated on many ways.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

Context is everything and I appreciate your break down I have a few more questions. in context when scripture refers to Jesus as the Only-Begotten Son what does that mean?

a Few Examples: James 1:14 KJV

"14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."


1 John 4:9 KJV

"9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him."

I'm willing to quote any bible you deem accurate because every translation of scripture I've read (I have not read them all lol) used Only Begotten as a distinction between us and Christ in regards to being a son

again Asking for Clarity

Most translations are made from a self made Greek version made by Westcott and Hort or the Nestle Aland.
They dont even use the Greek one found in the Greek Church, because the West and the East have a big schism. Thats why they made their own Greek versions, and i dont see those as original since they change the Greek Nestle Aland nearly every year.
I believe the Greek Church has the most original, though i reject their idolatry.

So do you know Greek before you want to start and claim things? Using translations to fuel your belief is not smart...

It used the word Monogene.
Thus monogenēs (μονογενὴς) may be used both as an adjective monogenēs pais, meaning unique and special. ItsGreek meaning is often applied tomean "one of a kind, one and only".

So watch and see how they distort meanings of words by distorting translations.

KJV is made from the Greek selfmade Erasmus text. Avoid it.

Use the translation made by the Greek Church. Its not perfect. At least they used the most original Gospel to translate which we can find on earth.
Google Patriarchal Text New Testament pdf. But be warned for their idolatry, they believe in the trinity etc. in their churches.

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

Most translations are made from a self made Greek version made by Westcott and Hort or the Nestle Aland.
They dont even use the Greek one found in the Greek Church, because the West and the East have a big schism. Thats why they made their own Greek versions, and i dont see those as original since they change the Greek Nestle Aland nearly every year.
I believe the Greek Church has the most original, though i reject their idolatry.

So do you know Greek before you want to start and claim things? Using translations to fuel your belief is not smart...

It used the word Monogene.
Thus monogenēs (μονογενὴς) may be used both as an adjective monogenēs pais, meaning unique and special. ItsGreek meaning is often applied tomean "one of a kind, one and only".

So watch and see how they distort meanings of words by distorting translations.

KJV is made from the Greek selfmade Erasmus text. Avoid it.

Use the translation made by the Greek Church. Its not perfect. At least they used the most original Gospel to translate which we can find on earth.
Google Patriarchal Text New Testament pdf. But be warned for their idolatry, they believe in the trinity etc. in their churches.

KJV isn't my preferred I used it cuz most ppl do.

I Agree with only Begotten meaning unique special or one of a kind which proves my point.

ONLY-BEGOTTEN

The Greek word mo·no·ge·nesʹ is defined by lexicographers as “single of its kind, only,” or “the only member of a kin or kind.” (Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1889, p. 417; Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, Oxford, 1968, p. 1144) The term is used in describing the relation of both sons and daughters to their parents.

The Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12;8:41, 42; 9:38) The Greek Septuagint uses mo·no·ge·nesʹ when speaking of Jephthah’s daughter, concerning whom it is written: “Now she was absolutely the only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter.”—Jg 11:34.

The apostle John repeatedly describes the Lord Jesus Christ as the only-begotten Son of God. (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1Jo 4:9) This is not in reference to his human birth or to him as just the man Jesus. As the Loʹgos, or Word, “this one was in the beginning with God,” even “before the world was.” (Joh 1:1, 2;17:5, 24) At that time while in his prehuman state of existence, he is described as the “only-begotten Son” whom his Father sent “into the world.”—1Jo 4:9.

He is described as having “a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father,” the one residing “in the bosom position with the Father.” (Joh 1:14, 18) It is hard to think of a closer, more confidential, or more loving and tender relationship between a father and his son than this.

The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Loʹgos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God.” (Joh 3:18) He is the only one of his kind, the only one whom God himself created directly without the agency or cooperation of any creature. He is the only one whom God his Father used in bringing into existence all other creatures. He is the firstborn and chief one among all other angels (Col 1:15, 16; Heb 1:5, 6), which angels the Scriptures call “godlike ones” or “gods.” (Ps 8:4, 5) Therefore, according to some of the oldest and best manuscripts, the Lord Jesus Christ is properly described as “the only-begotten god [Gr., mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ].”—Joh 1:18, NW, Ro, Sp.

A few translations, in support of the Trinitarian “God the Son” concept, would invert the phrase mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ and render it as “God only begotten.” But W. J. Hickie in his Greek-English Lexicon to the New Testament (1956, p. 123) says it is hard to see why these translators render mo·no·ge·nesʹ hui·osʹ as “the only begotten Son,” but at the same time translate mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ as “God only begotten,” instead of “the only begotten God.”

Paul referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only-begotten son” (Heb 11:17), even though Abraham also fathered Ishmael by Hagar as well as several sons by Keturah. (Ge 16:15; 25:1, 2; 1Ch 1:28, 32) God’s covenant, however, was established only through Isaac, Abraham’s only son by God’s promise, as well as the only son of Sarah. (Ge 17:16-19) Furthermore, at the time Abraham offered up Isaac, he was the only son in his father’s household. No sons had yet been born to Keturah, and Ishmael had been gone for some 20 years—no doubt was married and head of his own household.—Ge 22:2.

So from several viewpoints in regard to the promise and the covenant, the things about which Paul was writing to the Hebrews, Isaac was Abraham’s only-begotten son. Hence, Paul parallels “the promises” and the “only-begotten son” with “‘your seed’ . . . through Isaac.” (Heb 11:17, 18) Whether Josephus had a similar viewpoint or not, he too spoke of Isaac as Abraham’s “only son.”—Jewish Antiquities, I, 222 (xiii, 1).

 

[FearGod]

KJV isn't my preferred I used it cuz most ppl do.

I Agree with only Begotten meaning unique special or one of a kind which proves my point.

ONLY-BEGOTTEN

The Greek word mo·no·ge·nesʹ is defined by lexicographers as “single of its kind, only,” or “the only member of a kin or kind.” (Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1889, p. 417; Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, Oxford, 1968, p. 1144) The term is used in describing the relation of both sons and daughters to their parents.

The Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12;8:41, 42; 9:38) The Greek Septuagint uses mo·no·ge·nesʹ when speaking of Jephthah’s daughter, concerning whom it is written: “Now she was absolutely the only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter.”—Jg 11:34.

The apostle John repeatedly describes the Lord Jesus Christ as the only-begotten Son of God. (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1Jo 4:9) This is not in reference to his human birth or to him as just the man Jesus. As the Loʹgos, or Word, “this one was in the beginning with God,” even “before the world was.” (Joh 1:1, 2;17:5, 24) At that time while in his prehuman state of existence, he is described as the “only-begotten Son” whom his Father sent “into the world.”—1Jo 4:9.

He is described as having “a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father,” the one residing “in the bosom position with the Father.” (Joh 1:14, 18) It is hard to think of a closer, more confidential, or more loving and tender relationship between a father and his son than this.

The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Loʹgos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God.” (Joh 3:18) He is the only one of his kind, the only one whom God himself created directly without the agency or cooperation of any creature. He is the only one whom God his Father used in bringing into existence all other creatures. He is the firstborn and chief one among all other angels (Col 1:15, 16; Heb 1:5, 6), which angels the Scriptures call “godlike ones” or “gods.” (Ps 8:4, 5) Therefore, according to some of the oldest and best manuscripts, the Lord Jesus Christ is properly described as “the only-begotten god [Gr., mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ].”—Joh 1:18, NW, Ro, Sp.

A few translations, in support of the Trinitarian “God the Son” concept, would invert the phrase mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ and render it as “God only begotten.” But W. J. Hickie in his Greek-English Lexicon to the New Testament (1956, p. 123) says it is hard to see why these translators render mo·no·ge·nesʹ hui·osʹ as “the only begotten Son,” but at the same time translate mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ as “God only begotten,” instead of “the only begotten God.”

Paul referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only-begotten son” (Heb 11:17), even though Abraham also fathered Ishmael by Hagar as well as several sons by Keturah. (Ge 16:15; 25:1, 2; 1Ch 1:28, 32) God’s covenant, however, was established only through Isaac, Abraham’s only son by God’s promise, as well as the only son of Sarah. (Ge 17:16-19) Furthermore, at the time Abraham offered up Isaac, he was the only son in his father’s household. No sons had yet been born to Keturah, and Ishmael had been gone for some 20 years—no doubt was married and head of his own household.—Ge 22:2.

So from several viewpoints in regard to the promise and the covenant, the things about which Paul was writing to the Hebrews, Isaac was Abraham’s only-begotten son. Hence, Paul parallels “the promises” and the “only-begotten son” with “‘your seed’ . . . through Isaac.” (Heb 11:17, 18) Whether Josephus had a similar viewpoint or not, he too spoke of Isaac as Abraham’s “only son.”—Jewish Antiquities, I, 222 (xiii, 1).

Yes you are right, they made Jesus as son of God and that is the reason for verse (4:171)

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

KJV isn't my preferred I used it cuz most ppl do.

I Agree with only Begotten meaning unique special or one of a kind which proves my point.

ONLY-BEGOTTEN

The Greek word mo·no·ge·nesʹ is defined by lexicographers as “single of its kind, only,” or “the only member of a kin or kind.” (Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1889, p. 417; Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, Oxford, 1968, p. 1144) The term is used in describing the relation of both sons and daughters to their parents.

The Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12;8:41, 42; 9:38) The Greek Septuagint uses mo·no·ge·nesʹ when speaking of Jephthah’s daughter, concerning whom it is written: “Now she was absolutely the only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter.”—Jg 11:34.

The apostle John repeatedly describes the Lord Jesus Christ as the only-begotten Son of God. (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1Jo 4:9) This is not in reference to his human birth or to him as just the man Jesus. As the Loʹgos, or Word, “this one was in the beginning with God,” even “before the world was.” (Joh 1:1, 2;17:5, 24) At that time while in his prehuman state of existence, he is described as the “only-begotten Son” whom his Father sent “into the world.”—1Jo 4:9.

He is described as having “a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father,” the one residing “in the bosom position with the Father.” (Joh 1:14, 18) It is hard to think of a closer, more confidential, or more loving and tender relationship between a father and his son than this.

The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Loʹgos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God.” (Joh 3:18) He is the only one of his kind, the only one whom God himself created directly without the agency or cooperation of any creature. He is the only one whom God his Father used in bringing into existence all other creatures. He is the firstborn and chief one among all other angels (Col 1:15, 16; Heb 1:5, 6), which angels the Scriptures call “godlike ones” or “gods.” (Ps 8:4, 5) Therefore, according to some of the oldest and best manuscripts, the Lord Jesus Christ is properly described as “the only-begotten god [Gr., mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ].”—Joh 1:18, NW, Ro, Sp.

A few translations, in support of the Trinitarian “God the Son” concept, would invert the phrase mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ and render it as “God only begotten.” But W. J. Hickie in his Greek-English Lexicon to the New Testament (1956, p. 123) says it is hard to see why these translators render mo·no·ge·nesʹ hui·osʹ as “the only begotten Son,” but at the same time translate mo·no·ge·nesʹ the·osʹ as “God only begotten,” instead of “the only begotten God.”

Paul referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only-begotten son” (Heb 11:17), even though Abraham also fathered Ishmael by Hagar as well as several sons by Keturah. (Ge 16:15; 25:1, 2; 1Ch 1:28, 32) God’s covenant, however, was established only through Isaac, Abraham’s only son by God’s promise, as well as the only son of Sarah. (Ge 17:16-19) Furthermore, at the time Abraham offered up Isaac, he was the only son in his father’s household. No sons had yet been born to Keturah, and Ishmael had been gone for some 20 years—no doubt was married and head of his own household.—Ge 22:2.

So from several viewpoints in regard to the promise and the covenant, the things about which Paul was writing to the Hebrews, Isaac was Abraham’s only-begotten son. Hence, Paul parallels “the promises” and the “only-begotten son” with “‘your seed’ . . . through Isaac.” (Heb 11:17, 18) Whether Josephus had a similar viewpoint or not, he too spoke of Isaac as Abraham’s “only son.”—Jewish Antiquities, I, 222 (xiii, 1).

We need to know Greek before we should start understanding John 1 and the Logos. My understanding of the Logos is the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit, Gods Word created Adam from nothing, and created Jesus Christ similarly.

These trinitarian translators distort John 1 and the meaning of Logos. The Word is Gods Word, the Spirit is Gods Spirit. This is very tricky, especially if you dont know Greek.
I believe Jesus Christ is the Son, the Christ, but not the literal Son, else there would be 2 Gods etc.

Just like you said, Adam was a Son of God as well, and so are the Angels etc. it's a title, but these trinitarians took it to literal.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

Yes you are right, they made Jesus as son of God and that is the reason for verse (4:171)

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

The Quran uses three words for 'Son'. When it's used for Jesus and the trinity-discussion. It used the word 'Weled' in Arabic, which means literal Son. But the Quran uses also the word 'Gholaam' for the son of Abraham and the sacrifice (which is Isaac, we read that in the Gospel and Torah, the Quran doesn't mention the name of the sacrificed son by Abraham). And there is also the word 'Ibn' in the Arabic language for son.

So i believe Jesus Christ is like the Greek Gospel says the Son of God, since he is Christ, and every righteous one is a child of God. But he is not the literal son of God, and we aren't the literal children of God. Else we would be Gods etc. but we are just human beings, some with more Light and Guidance then others.

I use the word Ibn for Jesus Christ. Jesus is ibnu Allah. The Son of God. But not welled u Allah. Not the literal Son of God. God doesn't beget, nor is He begotten, nor does He have a wife etc. It's a spiritual title!


@LiveByFaithNotSight

So the majority of the Arabs doesn't even give Jesus Christ the spiritual title of Son of God. But i am against that, because the Quran warns for calling him the literal son. And the Greek Gospel calls Christ the spiritual Son.
The Quran uses the term, children of God. So..this is just a sectarian battle of usage of language. There are 3 words for son in Arabic !
But hey, don't worry, you shouldn't care about what sectarians say, or the majority says.

 

[FearGod]

The Quran uses three words for 'Son'. When it's used for Jesus and the trinity-discussion. It used the word 'Weled' in Arabic, which means literal Son. But the Quran uses also the word 'Gholaam' for the son of Abraham and the sacrifice (which is Isaac, we read that in the Gospel and Torah, the Quran doesn't mention the name of the sacrificed son by Abraham). And there is also the word 'Ibn' in the Arabic language for son.

So i believe Jesus Christ is like the Greek Gospel says the Son of God, since he is Christ, and every righteous one is a child of God. But he is not the literal son of God, and we aren't the literal children of God. Else we would be Gods etc. but we are just human beings, some with more Light and Guidance then others.

I use the word Ibn for Jesus Christ. Jesus is ibnu Allah. The Son of God. But not welled u Allah. Not the literal Son of God. God doesn't beget, nor is He begotten, nor does He have a wife etc. It's a spiritual title!


@LiveByFaithNotSight

So the majority of the Arabs doesn't even give Jesus Christ the spiritual title of Son of God. But i am against that, because the Quran warns for calling him the literal son. And the Greek Gospel calls Christ the spiritual Son.
The Quran uses the term, children of God. So..this is just a sectarian battle of usage of language. There are 3 words for son in Arabic !
But hey, don't worry, you shouldn't care about what sectarians say, or the majority says.

My language is Arabic, the verse is very clear, it says that Jesus is just a prophet
and that God has no son and to reject trinity.

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

The Quran uses three words for 'Son'. When it's used for Jesus and the trinity-discussion. It used the word 'Weled' in Arabic, which means literal Son. But the Quran uses also the word 'Gholaam' for the son of Abraham and the sacrifice (which is Isaac, we read that in the Gospel and Torah, the Quran doesn't mention the name of the sacrificed son by Abraham). And there is also the word 'Ibn' in the Arabic language for son.

So i believe Jesus Christ is like the Greek Gospel says the Son of God, since he is Christ, and every righteous one is a child of God. But he is not the literal son of God, and we aren't the literal children of God. Else we would be Gods etc. but we are just human beings, some with more Light and Guidance then others.

I use the word Ibn for Jesus Christ. Jesus is ibnu Allah. The Son of God. But not welled u Allah. Not the literal Son of God. God doesn't beget, nor is He begotten, nor does He have a wife etc. It's a spiritual title!


@LiveByFaithNotSight

So the majority of the Arabs doesn't even give Jesus Christ the spiritual title of Son of God. But i am against that, because the Quran warns for calling him the literal son. And the Greek Gospel calls Christ the spiritual Son.
The Quran uses the term, children of God. So..this is just a sectarian battle of usage of language. There are 3 words for son in Arabic !
But hey, don't worry, you shouldn't care about what sectarians say, or the majority says.

listen my friend I've enjoyed reasoning with your a logical man who respects context and I respect that. my only thing in this particular conversation is The Only person in scripture Called God's only Begotten son showing there is a difference from that phrase to Sons of God that's all. and completely again the Trinity Doctrine it's a Catholic Doctrine made up for manipulation purposes just like the Hell Doctrine. Non Scriptural Doctrine to Get ppl scared to return to the Catholic church after attended was dwindling.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

listen my friend I've enjoyed reasoning with your a logical man who respects context and I respect that. my only thing in this particular conversation is The Only person in scripture Called God's only Begotten son showing there is a difference from that phrase to Sons of God that's all. and completely again the Trinity Doctrine it's a Catholic Doctrine made up for manipulation purposes just like the Hell Doctrine. Non Scriptural Doctrine to Get ppl scared to return to the Catholic church after attended was dwindling.

I never rejected that Jesus is the Christ. The unique person in humanity with that title. The second Adam.

Though i disagree with you about Hell. Hell is clearly mentioned in the Gospel and the Quran.
But the JW distorted that teaching, they also say that Jesus Christ is Michael the angel.

The difference between you and me is that i want to listen to Scripture only. But you, you listen to what a denomination is telling you to believe.
JW doesnt even use the correct Bible to translate from.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

My language is Arabic, the verse is very clear, it says that Jesus is just a prophet
and that God has no son and to reject trinity.

The Bible doesnt teach a trinity. Thats just a fabrication in the translations.

If you know Arabic and know Greek. Then the Books shouldnt contradict each other.

In Arabic there are three words for son. So.. lets pause this discussion about the Greek and Arabic word for spiritual son and literal son.

 

[FearGod]

The Bible doesnt teach a trinity. Thats just a fabrication in the translations.

If you know Arabic and know Greek. Then the Books shouldnt contradict each other.

In Arabic there are three words for son. So.. lets pause this discussion about the Greek and Arabic word for spiritual son and literal son.

Some Christians believe in Trinity, regardless that it wasn't mention in the bible.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

Some Christians believe in Trinity, regardless that it wasn't mention in the bible.

Some Muslims believe in Ahadith, regardless that it wasn't mentioned in the Quran.

Some Jews believe in Talmud, regardless that it wasn't mentioned in the Tora.

 

[FearGod]

Some Muslims believe in Ahadith, regardless that it wasn't mentioned in the Quran.

Some Jews believe in Talmud, regardless that it wasn't mentioned in the Tora.

Yes and verse (4:171) is about those who believe in trinity and that God has a son.

 

[W3bcrowf3r]

Yes and verse (4:171) is about those who believe in trinity and that God has a son.

I dont believe the Greek Gospel uses a trinity. The translators changed that.

But to discus the topic spiritual 'son' or literal 'son' we need Arabic and Greek as our bases. I am not going to dive in this if we cant read the originals.

I believe the Gospel called him the spiritual son. Just like every one who is rightly guided is a son of God. But not a literal one.

Again, the Arabic language has at least 3 words for son.

The Quran in 5;47 tells us to Judge with the Gospel. The Quran in 5:68 tells us to uphold the Tora and the Gospel. The Quran in 2:285 tells us to believe in the Scriptures and Prophets. Etc.