Something about jonah

[Frank Goad]

What do you think of jonah 2:2 and jonah 2:6?

 

[Earthling]

What do you think of jonah 2:2 and jonah 2:6?

In Jonah 2:2 the belly of the fish is hell, or sheol, because Jonah thought that it would be his grave. The word sheol is sometimes translated as hell, and sometimes as grave or pit.

Jonah 2:6 Here is an alternative translation. What do you think of it?

(NWT) "To the bottoms of [the] mountains I went down. As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite. But out of [the] pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God."

There you see that a more modern translation indicates that the term corruption is the same as the pit, grave, sheol, hades, hell. Here is a link to Bible Gateway where, at the top in the search area you can select different translations and compare them. I've started you of with the NIV, which also says "pit". (Link)

P.S. I think you know more than you appear to know. You ask all of the right questions in the right way as if you are testing, but that's cool. No problem if that's the case. Keep testing.

 

[Yohanan ben Yaaqov]

For starters, that is Yonah 2:3 and 2:7 in Jewish Bibles. That which chr-stian translations call Jonah 1:17 is actually the beginning of the passage that chr-stian translations call chapter 2.

I think that Yonah haNavi was very afraid that the stomach of that huge fish was going to be his grave – aka his final resting place.

I believe that it is the phrases – מִבֶּטֶן שְׁאוֹל – mibeten sh’ol – “from the belly of the grave” and – וַתַּעַל מִשַּׁחַת חַיַּי – vataʿal mishaḥat ḥayyay – “You lifted up my life from the pit” that are causing your confusion.

It might possibly be the result of whichever translation you happen to be using, but most likely it is probably a result of you trying to conflate chr-stian beliefs with the Hebrew Scriptures.

The Hebrew word – שְׁאוֹל – sh’ol – most commonly rendered “sheol” – is the final resting place of a dead body, nothing more nothing less. If you fall off a ship, drown and sink to the bottom of the sea – the bottom of the sea is your sh’ol; if you are eaten by a great white shark – the stomach of the great white shark is your sh’ol; if you are buried in an underground grave, or pit – that grave or pit is your sh’ol.

If it is because whichever translation you are using uses the chr-stian word “hell” and you are assuming that Yonah was dead and in “hell,” that is incorrect. It is very clear that Yonah was still quite alive inside the belly of the fish at the time he cried out to God to save him from his potential grave.

Yonah was not dead, and was not in “hell,” mostly because there is absolutely no such thing as “hell.”

 

[The Anointed]

Just a point of interest concerning the big fish as told in the story of Jonah. How big would that fish have needed to be? In 1933 a sulfur bottom whale was caught off the coast of cape cod it was 100 ft long and had a mouth over 10 foot wide. A man who was unfortunate enough to be swallowed could take refuge in any one of the whales stomach chambers, or the large cranial cavities (extensions of the nasal sinus) which measure 7 feet high, 7ft wide and 14 ft long. More than big enough for a man to hide safely inside.

 

[Skwim]

Just a point of interest concerning the big fish as told in the story of Jonah. How big would that fish have needed to be? In 1933 a sulfur bottom whale was caught off the coast of cape cod it was 100 ft long and had a mouth over 10 foot wide.

Whales ain't fishes. Whales are mammals.

The largest fish is the whale shark (Rhincodon typus) which has a maximum length of around 41 feet.

A man who was unfortunate enough to be swallowed could take refuge in any one of the whales stomach chambers, or the large cranial cavities (extensions of the nasal sinus) which measure 7 feet high, 7ft wide and 14 ft long. More than big enough for a man to hide safely inside.

Know what's inside stomachs? Food and the gastric acid (hydrochloric acid (HCl), a dangerous acid, pH is 0.8) plus potassium chloride (KCl) and sodium chloride (NaCl). with which to dissolve the food. Hardly a place of refuge.

As for the huge cranial cavity, just how do you suppose a man would get into one. AND where did you ever get those dimensions for it?

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[Subduction Zone]

Whales ain't fishes. Whales are mammals.

The largest fish is the whale shark (Rhincodon typus) which has a maximum length of around 41 feet.

Know what's inside stomachs? Food and the gastric acid (hydrochloric acid (HCl), a dangerous acid, pH is 0.8) plus potassium chloride (KCl) and sodium chloride (NaCl). with which to dissolve the food. Hardly a place of refuge.

As for the huge cranial cavity, just how do you suppose a man would get into onet. AND where did you ever get those dimensions for it?

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Sulfur bottom whale is another name for the Blue Whale, which as you probably know gets up to 100 feet long. Though since it is a filter feeder it might be impossible for it to swallow a man;

Blue whale - Wikipedia

 

[Skwim]

Sulfur bottom whale is another name for the Blue Whale, which as you probably know gets up to 100 feet long. Though since it is a filter feeder it might be impossible for it to swallow a man;

Blue whale - Wikipedia

What's impossible to swallow is the story itself. Might as well concoct a story where god drowns the entire world, but saves one family who bring all the plants and animals on earth onboard his boat.

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[Subduction Zone]

What's impossible to swallow is the story itself. Might as well concoct a story where god drowns the entire world, but saves one family who bring all the plants and animals on earth onboard his boat.

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Of course. It is another story that works as a morality tale, but not as anything that happened. The Bible does not even say that it is literally true. Literalists tend to mistranslate verses that they think support this claim.

 

[The Anointed]

Of course. It is another story that works as a morality tale, but not as anything that happened. The Bible does not even say that it is literally true. Literalists tend to mistranslate verses that they think support this claim.

Believe as you will, just don't expect others to believe as you do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Believe as you will, just don't expect others to believe as you do.

There is a difference between knowledge and belief. The problem is that you mistranslate your own Bible to support your beliefs. Nowhere does it say that it is meant to be taken literally.

 

[Skwim]

There is a difference between knowledge and belief. The problem is that you mistranslate your own Bible to support your beliefs. Nowhere does it say that it is meant to be taken literally.

But how much easier it is to take everything literally rather then have to sort through it all deciding what's poetic, metaphor, morality tale, figure of speech, analogy, symbolic, allegory, etc. etc.. So, although the Bible doesn't say it is meant to be taken literally, it doesn't say it shouldn't be. And in such cases expediency wins out over reason. At least it should, shouldn't it? . . . . . . . . . Well, shouldn't it?

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[Subduction Zone]

But how much easier it is to take everything literally rather then have to sort through it all deciding what's poetic, metaphor, morality tale, figure of speech, analogy, symbolic, allegory, etc. etc.. So, although the Bible doesn't say it is meant to be taken literally, it doesn't say it shouldn't be. And in such cases expediency wins out over reason. At least it should, shouldn't it? . . . . . . . . . Well, shouldn't it?

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it certainly is easier. And if one stops to think about the New Testament without emotion and using reason . . . well it might get a little uncomfortable for some believers. Better to take the safe route and avoid thinking altogether.