Something I don't get about God.

[Frank Goad]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

 

[George-ananda]

My answer is: Yes, he knows but no one goes to hell permanently. There is eventual salvation of all. It's a play with a happy ending for all.

(I believe in an afterlife and reincarnation too)

 

[Quintessence]

Your conclusions logically follow from the premises.

That said, I find it problematic to assume human logic meaningfully applies to the gods, but especially the god of classical monotheism.

 

[Viker]

That would come from being all-knowing.

 

[dybmh]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

It's a really good question. And it's very complicated. The way I understand it, is, when God grants a choice, from God's perspective, all the possible outcomes exist.

This idea can be supported by scripture. When God created heaven and earth, chaos and void was also created. When God created light, there was also darkness. When God saw it was good, evil was created too. Following this pattern, when God creates a choice, all the possible options are being created. If the choice is a simple set of two options, left or right, then both options are created simultaneously, one where right is chosen and one where left is chosen.

This can be very confusing to imagine. Scientists have been pondering the same thing for a while, for example: schrodinger's cat. And this idea is very popular in the super-hero genre. Mutli-verses is a real concept. It's like that, but on an infinite scale.

So, God creating a choice, creates the versions that choose each option. There is a version of me that is holy and pure, and there's a version of me that is the lowest of the low. And there are versions of me that are everything in between on an infinite scale. The idea that God is all-knowing, means that God knows the outcome of all of these different versions. The version of me that is pure and holy, I believe, is rewarded greatly. The version that is the lowest of the low, I believe, is severely punished. God knows this. And all the versions inbetween, something happens, I don't know what, but God knows. When I make choices in my life, I am living one of those infinte variations. An all-knowing God creating me, knows that some of the those versions will succeed, and some of those versions will fail.

So, to answer the question. Yes! Speaking from a Christian perspective, an All-knowing God knows who is going to Hell. God knows the ones who sin are going to Hell, and the ones who don't aren't. But, that doesn't mean that there is only one "me". I choose which "me" to be in this life. And God knows what will happen to this version of "me" along with all the other versions of "me". I don't know which version of "me" I am until I make each choice. From God's perspective, beyond the limits of time, knowing the outcome of all these versions is known.

Without understanding these concepts, a person might come to the conclusion that an all-knowing God is creating some humans intentionally for the purpose of failure, just so they can be punished. I don't see it that way. I see it more that an all-Knowing God is granting a choice knowing that at least 1 version of the creation will be rewarded greatly, one version will be severely punished, and all those other versions something inbetween. What happens at the extremes is justice, and what happens inbetween is mercy. Therefore God is both merciful and just.

 

[Trailblazer]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

I believe God is all-knowing so God knows who is going to wind up in hell, but I don't think God 'makes' anyone go to hell.
I believe people consign themselves to hell by their own choices and actions. I believe that love of the self and love of the world is what causes people to wind up in hell.

 

[Kenny]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

That's a good question IMV.

I think I will ask Him when I get there. Maybe He knows the heart but chooses not to know the ending of an individual life though He knows the ending of human history?

 

[InChrist]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

Yes, God knows who will reject the love, joy, and beauty of living with Him in heaven for eternity; going to hell instead.
But God didn’t create one human at at a time; He created the human race. Some are
parents, mothers, fathers, children, cousins, uncles, aunts, relatives near and distant of people who will spend eternity in God’s presence in indescribable bliss and joy. The human race comes as a package. All were created to spend an eternity enjoying God’s love, all are offered freedom and forgiveness for their sins which has broke relationship with God, and all are offered eternal life. Those who choose to reject God and end up in hell could not NOT be created because they were/are connected to the human family and the billions of others who do choose to spend eternity in the beauty and joy of God’s eternal love.

 

[Sand Dancer]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

Calvinists think so. They think Yahweh predestined some folks for hell.

 

[Alien826]

It's a really good question. And it's very complicated. The way I understand it, is, when God grants a choice, from God's perspective, all the possible outcomes exist.

This idea can be supported by scripture. When God created heaven and earth, chaos and void was also created. When God created light, there was also darkness. When God saw it was good, evil was created too. Following this pattern, when God creates a choice, all the possible options are being created. If the choice is a simple set of two options, left or right, then both options are created simultaneously, one where right is chosen and one where left is chosen.

This can be very confusing to imagine. Scientists have been pondering the same thing for a while, for example: schrodinger's cat. And this idea is very popular in the super-hero genre. Mutli-verses is a real concept. It's like that, but on an infinite scale.

So, God creating a choice, creates the versions that choose each option. There is a version of me that is holy and pure, and there's a version of me that is the lowest of the low. And there are versions of me that are everything in between on an infinite scale. The idea that God is all-knowing, means that God knows the outcome of all of these different versions. The version of me that is pure and holy, I believe, is rewarded greatly. The version that is the lowest of the low, I believe, is severely punished. God knows this. And all the versions inbetween, something happens, I don't know what, but God knows. When I make choices in my life, I am living one of those infinte variations. An all-knowing God creating me, knows that some of the those versions will succeed, and some of those versions will fail.

So, to answer the question. Yes! Speaking from a Christian perspective, an All-knowing God knows who is going to Hell. God knows the ones who sin are going to Hell, and the ones who don't aren't. But, that doesn't mean that there is only one "me". I choose which "me" to be in this life. And God knows what will happen to this version of "me" along with all the other versions of "me". I don't know which version of "me" I am until I make each choice. From God's perspective, beyond the limits of time, knowing the outcome of all these versions is known.

Without understanding these concepts, a person might come to the conclusion that an all-knowing God is creating some humans intentionally for the purpose of failure, just so they can be punished. I don't see it that way. I see it more that an all-Knowing God is granting a choice knowing that at least 1 version of the creation will be rewarded greatly, one version will be severely punished, and all those other versions something inbetween. What happens at the extremes is justice, and what happens inbetween is mercy. Therefore God is both merciful and just.

That's an interesting idea. Is it based on multiverse theory? (What follows is my understanding of it, anyone that knows better please correct me).

The theory that says as the collapse of a waveform is uncaused, then at a given instant there is an equal probability that it either does or doesn't collapse, and therefore both things happen. In other words, everything happens and what we see as reality is just one track through all these possibilities.

By the way, at judgment time, do all these versions of you collapse into one and you just get a mild headache as punishment?

 

[dybmh]

That's an interesting idea. Is it based on multiverse theory? (What follows is my understanding of it, anyone that knows better please correct me).

The theory that says as the collapse of a waveform is uncaused, then at a given instant there is an equal probability that it either does or doesn't collapse, and therefore both things happen. In other words, everything happens and what we see as reality is just one track through all these possibilities.

By the way, at judgment time, do all these versions of you collapse into one and you just get a mild headache as punishment?

Well, it's not really based on that. It's based on God being beyond time, and my understanding of how God creates in Gen 1.

Regarding judgement, if God is beyond time, then judgement already is. I don't imagine that all the different versions collapse into one. I think they remain distinct.

 

[syo]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

All people go to hell.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If God is all knowing.Does he know who is going to hell?Before he makes them?

Frank you will get different answers from different people. Some people think God does not know what our choices will be. On the other extreme you have Calvinists who think God creates some people for the sole purpose of sending them to hell, since he refuses tehm the grace he gives to others. And then there are all those who don't believe in hell.