something that's been on my mind

[The Sum of Awe]

If you know me well, you will know that I believe the universe is alive, aware, and One.

The reasons I give aren't powerful.

I thought of a way to explain this better.

Think of an organism's body. Bodies are composed of cells, blood, etc. Cells are also alive, but doubt that they have a consciousness.

To the organism, it hardly notices these cells existence. It may know about them, but almost never interacts with them directly.

We are composed of living things. Things that aren't exactly conscious in the way we are - but are aware to the extent of reactions to the things that effects them. Instinct-based reactions.

The organism is one being made of many beings. Lesser beings work to make one being. They probably don't know that's why they're doing it, they just act.

Much like the universe. Everything in it - living and non-living - are lesser beings that bring life to this one being: the universe. We're never separate from the universe, and never will be. The only thing that separates us is illusion, caused by perception. To the being sitting at a table, it might seem as if the objects or people are around her are not part of her.

She is correct in her mind. From this level, they are apart.

What is this level? Well, this level is where our being-ness resides. Whatever meat suit this being-ness follows, that will be its level.

It is entrapped in this body, and thus entrapped in the mind that the body naturally creates it. Mind is nothing but illusion, but there's no escape.

As I was saying, the beingness is limited to the imperfect physical conditions, and the illusional mind. It'll always stay in perspective. Sort of like a prison.

Anyways, the universe beyond illusion is simply oneness. Except we don't "return" to God (universe), because we are always a part of him. You are the universe incarnate.

The universe therefore could be thought of as a higher being than us. A consciousness far more complex than our own.

Thoughts?

 

[Nietzsche]

You're really, really stretching the definition of "living organism" here, to the point that I don't think they're remotely comparable. If it is "alive", it is only alive in a sense utterly alien to life we would be able to recognize, and we ourselves would be unrecognizable as "life" to it. In short, this is a Lovecraft-Hypothesis.

 

[nazz]

If you know me well, you will know that I believe the universe is alive, aware, and One.

The reasons I give aren't powerful.

I thought of a way to explain this better.

Think of an organism's body. Bodies are composed of cells, blood, etc. Cells are also alive, but doubt that they have a consciousness.

To the organism, it hardly notices these cells existence. It may know about them, but almost never interacts with them directly.

We are composed of living things. Things that aren't exactly conscious in the way we are - but are aware to the extent of reactions to the things that effects them. Instinct-based reactions.

The organism is one being made of many beings. Lesser beings work to make one being. They probably don't know that's why they're doing it, they just act.

Much like the universe. Everything in it - living and non-living - are lesser beings that bring life to this one being: the universe. We're never separate from the universe, and never will be. The only thing that separates us is illusion, caused by perception. To the being sitting at a table, it might seem as if the objects or people are around her are not part of her.

She is correct in her mind. From this level, they are apart.

What is this level? Well, this level is where our being-ness resides. Whatever meat suit this being-ness follows, that will be its level.

It is entrapped in this body, and thus entrapped in the mind that the body naturally creates it. Mind is nothing but illusion, but there's no escape.

As I was saying, the beingness is limited to the imperfect physical conditions, and the illusional mind. It'll always stay in perspective. Sort of like a prison.

Anyways, the universe beyond illusion is simply oneness. Except we don't "return" to God (universe), because we are always a part of him. You are the universe incarnate.

The universe therefore could be thought of as a higher being than us. A consciousness far more complex than our own.

Thoughts?

I have written something in the past that basically expresses these same ideas.

 

[viole]

Thoughts?

Do you expect answers/thoughts from the Universe as well?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Adramelek]

I would agree that the Universe is alive and One, but not a conscious intelligent entity.

 

[Kirran]

I'm with you on the Oneness, but I think that ascribing either consciousness or life to the Universe is essentially anthropomorphising it.

 

[Baladas]

I've been thinking along very similar lines. I am not sure I really believe that the Universe is conscience inherently (other than through living things) but I have used almost the same analogy you have here. Cells in a body. I told my brother that I view us as cells in a greater body, and to imagine what it would be like if our cells had sentience. They are so tiny in comparison to the whole that they would likely have little idea that they were part of something so vast. I proposed that much like we are not consciously aware of our cells, the whole may not be aware of all of it's parts.

 

[Kirran]

Seeing as the vast vast majority of the Universe is not composed of living things, as far as we're aware, I think a fairer analogy would be a great hunk of rock with a bacterium sitting on it. This of course sounds rather unglamorous, and we don't know if the Universe is conscious, or alive, or neither. So it's interesting to read your thoughts on the matter

 

[Quintessence]

I think that you and I have different views of things as I am not a monotheistic pantheist. I'm uncertain how useful any commentary from me would be since I presume you're happy and satisfied with your worldview.

 

[Baladas]

Seeing as the vast vast majority of the Universe is not composed of living things, as far as we're aware, I think a fairer analogy would be a great hunk of rock with a bacterium sitting on it. This of course sounds rather unglamorous, and we don't know if the Universe is conscious, or alive, or neither. So it's interesting to read your thoughts on the matter

Agreed, that probably is a better analogy. Glamorous or not.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You're really, really stretching the definition of "living organism" here, to the point that I don't think they're remotely comparable. If it is "alive", it is only alive in a sense utterly alien to life we would be able to recognize, and we ourselves would be unrecognizable as "life" to it. In short, this is a Lovecraft-Hypothesis.

In what way? The universe can qualify as a living being. The thing is, it's not exactly alive in the same way living organisms we perceive are. Because there is no exterior of the universe, the process of life is completely internal

 

[Nietzsche]

In what way?

You ask this, and yet..

The universe can qualify as a living being. The thing is, it's not exactly alive in the same way living organisms we perceive are. Because there is no exterior of the universe, the process of life is completely internal

You go on to explain precisely why saying it's a "living organism" stretches that term out to the point of absurdity.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You ask this, and yet..


You go on to explain precisely why saying it's a "living organism" stretches that term out to the point of absurdity.

I didn't explain how it does. I was asking for clarity on how you think so.

What I said was explaining why I consider it alive, and to clear any misconceptions.

What exactly do you find absurd about the universe being a living being. The characteristics of life can be found in the universe. But due to illusion it slips our view. The universe exposes these characteristic from the inside, and that is what I said was the only thing that stretches it.

I'm not saying it is different in characteristics, I'm saying the characteristics of life apply to the universe in the same way it does us, but they are shown differently than what we're used to from other living organisms.

 

[Unification]

If you know me well, you will know that I believe the universe is alive, aware, and One.

The reasons I give aren't powerful.

I thought of a way to explain this better.

Think of an organism's body. Bodies are composed of cells, blood, etc. Cells are also alive, but doubt that they have a consciousness.

To the organism, it hardly notices these cells existence. It may know about them, but almost never interacts with them directly.

We are composed of living things. Things that aren't exactly conscious in the way we are - but are aware to the extent of reactions to the things that effects them. Instinct-based reactions.

The organism is one being made of many beings. Lesser beings work to make one being. They probably don't know that's why they're doing it, they just act.

Much like the universe. Everything in it - living and non-living - are lesser beings that bring life to this one being: the universe. We're never separate from the universe, and never will be. The only thing that separates us is illusion, caused by perception. To the being sitting at a table, it might seem as if the objects or people are around her are not part of her.

She is correct in her mind. From this level, they are apart.

What is this level? Well, this level is where our being-ness resides. Whatever meat suit this being-ness follows, that will be its level.

It is entrapped in this body, and thus entrapped in the mind that the body naturally creates it. Mind is nothing but illusion, but there's no escape.

As I was saying, the beingness is limited to the imperfect physical conditions, and the illusional mind. It'll always stay in perspective. Sort of like a prison.

Anyways, the universe beyond illusion is simply oneness. Except we don't "return" to God (universe), because we are always a part of him. You are the universe incarnate.

The universe therefore could be thought of as a higher being than us. A consciousness far more complex than our own.

Thoughts?

Wonderful thoughts and ideas. I'll use some scripture in response. The entire 7 day creation is the human. Heavens and Earth equals Spirit and Body. The dust of the Earth being the body, and the Spirit being the heavens. Hence, the spirit manifesting itself in a body. The body without spirit is dead. And the Spirit cannot manifest itself without body. Now is where we come in. The Adam-the soul/conscious and the Eve-the heart. So, we have the soul/conscious and the heart inside of our physical bodies with a Spirit. Also created was the deceiver, the mind in a human. Creates our own empire of seeds(children) within the body. Only thing separating us from knowing God, and having higher consciousness and awarness is our minds. Why they need renewed and transformed. KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. Evil seed (child) growing inside of us which creates the network of our lives and perception. The mind has children/seed growing rampant with thoughts, desires, passions, emotions, etc. The heart also has these seeds. It's all about knowledge being transmitted from source to source. The Spirit inside of us to the Spirit outside of us. Energy source to energy source. Father to Son and Son to Father as it applies with scripture. Light to light. Internal to external. Knowledge transmission. Why Adam "knew" his wife Eve. Knowledge. The transmission of evil knowledge we create ourselves (darkness/seed/children) rules over the knowledge of God(good/light seed/children). Why God is seen destroying massive amount of children in the scriptures and countries and cities. It is metaphorical for destroying our own created networks and our own empires within our minds, hearts, bodies. .... All the bad thoughts,emotions, desires, etc. The more we are conditioned, doctrined, every experience in our lives, are stored information in us (knowledge). The good knowledge from God is the light... Scripture states the Soirit of wisdom, understanding, and knowledge and such. How this information is transmitted is because we have the source inside of us. Everything is energy. Energy is all around us. Tons of scripture revealing how this energy(knowledge/light in motion) is revealed inside of us. When we read things such "out of the stem of Jesse a branch will shoot up" and things like that.... It's referring to the brain stem. The tabernacle depicts 12 tribes camping around the tabernacle. These are 12 cranial nerves camped around the brain. The light is revealed from the 3 tribes on the east (the rising of the sun(energy/light). Even the number camped from the tribe of Judah is 186,400... Sounds familiar.... Speed of light. Hence, you see the Christ from the tribe of Judah. The Pantheists are defeated by lack of explanation for evil. Well, their are 2 sources..... The Father and the Son. Scripture clearly reveals the Lord is the author of both good and evil. Scripture clearly reveals Gods will is being done and that He makes the dictators and Kings of the earth make decisions, etc. the source within. If we want to come to the truth and the life... And stop evolving from life to life... We must break the cycle by finding the truth and the life and experiencing this in this life. Until then, we'll keep evolving after physical death. If we live like an animal in this lifetime, maybe we'll be evolved into a dog or a cat, or poor circumstances in Africa or in horrible oppression somewhere. If we want peace and happiness in this lifetime, and for evil and issues to stay away from us, we must live that way. Every human reaps what they sow. In this life and the next. When we find the truth and the life.... And break the evolving cycle, Who knows what God has prepared for us and the capability he will give us. That is beyond our limited minds to fathom.

 

[James Field]

If you know me well, you will know that I believe the universe is alive, aware, and One.

The reasons I give aren't powerful.

I thought of a way to explain this better.

Think of an organism's body. Bodies are composed of cells, blood, etc. Cells are also alive, but doubt that they have a consciousness.

To the organism, it hardly notices these cells existence. It may know about them, but almost never interacts with them directly.

We are composed of living things. Things that aren't exactly conscious in the way we are - but are aware to the extent of reactions to the things that effects them. Instinct-based reactions.

The organism is one being made of many beings. Lesser beings work to make one being. They probably don't know that's why they're doing it, they just act.

Much like the universe. Everything in it - living and non-living - are lesser beings that bring life to this one being: the universe. We're never separate from the universe, and never will be. The only thing that separates us is illusion, caused by perception. To the being sitting at a table, it might seem as if the objects or people are around her are not part of her.

She is correct in her mind. From this level, they are apart.

What is this level? Well, this level is where our being-ness resides. Whatever meat suit this being-ness follows, that will be its level.

It is entrapped in this body, and thus entrapped in the mind that the body naturally creates it. Mind is nothing but illusion, but there's no escape.

As I was saying, the beingness is limited to the imperfect physical conditions, and the illusional mind. It'll always stay in perspective. Sort of like a prison.

Anyways, the universe beyond illusion is simply oneness. Except we don't "return" to God (universe), because we are always a part of him. You are the universe incarnate.

The universe therefore could be thought of as a higher being than us. A consciousness far more complex than our own.

Thoughts?

So do you think we can't realize that we're all apart of this living universe ?

 

[Bunyip]

If you know me well, you will know that I believe the universe is alive, aware, and One.

The reasons I give aren't powerful.

I thought of a way to explain this better.

Think of an organism's body. Bodies are composed of cells, blood, etc. Cells are also alive, but doubt that they have a consciousness.

To the organism, it hardly notices these cells existence. It may know about them, but almost never interacts with them directly.

We are composed of living things. Things that aren't exactly conscious in the way we are - but are aware to the extent of reactions to the things that effects them. Instinct-based reactions.

The organism is one being made of many beings. Lesser beings work to make one being. They probably don't know that's why they're doing it, they just act.

Much like the universe. Everything in it - living and non-living - are lesser beings that bring life to this one being: the universe. We're never separate from the universe, and never will be. The only thing that separates us is illusion, caused by perception. To the being sitting at a table, it might seem as if the objects or people are around her are not part of her.

She is correct in her mind. From this level, they are apart.

What is this level? Well, this level is where our being-ness resides. Whatever meat suit this being-ness follows, that will be its level.

It is entrapped in this body, and thus entrapped in the mind that the body naturally creates it. Mind is nothing but illusion, but there's no escape.

As I was saying, the beingness is limited to the imperfect physical conditions, and the illusional mind. It'll always stay in perspective. Sort of like a prison.

Anyways, the universe beyond illusion is simply oneness. Except we don't "return" to God (universe), because we are always a part of him. You are the universe incarnate.

The universe therefore could be thought of as a higher being than us. A consciousness far more complex than our own.

Thoughts?

I think that as an intuition your idea makes sense. After all, 9/10 of the cells in our bodies are bacteria - and yet we feel like individuals. We are as much ecosystems in our own right as we are individuals. To look at the earth as an organism in the same sense is tenable. And by extension the galaxy, the universe.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

So do you think we can't realize that we're all apart of this living universe ?

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't

 

[Whiterain]

I do not see a universal conscientiousness , I see individual conscientiousness to the realm Man could understand.

Either way, I don't think you're going to meet anything out there any friendlier than Mankind.

The Universe is not conscious, it is a womb to many ideologies.

Space Wiking, let's get there now.

 

[Ouroboros]

In what way? The universe can qualify as a living being. The thing is, it's not exactly alive in the same way living organisms we perceive are. Because there is no exterior of the universe, the process of life is completely internal

The term "organic" can mean a lot more than just biochemical organics. In recent years they've found quite a bit of organic molecules in the universe, outside our planet and solar system.

The term organic can refer to: 1) something living, 2) something of organic compound (contains Carbon), 3) and in art it refers to something that has soft shape and not squares, corners, and many other interpretations of the word.

Interesting quote from wiki about organic compounds:

The distinction between organic and inorganic carbon compounds, while "useful in organizing the vast subject of chemistry... is somewhat arbitrary."[2]

And here's a link to all pages starting with "Organic": All pages with prefix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the term really fundamentally is referring to something that changes and is not static.

 

[Kirran]

I think the term really fundamentally is referring to something that changes and is not static.

But a protein, or hell, even a spore, can stay motionless and unchanging for millions of years