Something we can all get behind?

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Stopping child sex trafficking is a worthwhile endeavour. It should be stopped!

Though the example you gave, I don’t know.
I’m already seeing stories popping up of actual anti trafficking workers denouncing the film as a step backwards in actually helping the issue. Mostly through its connection to that QAnon stuff and this Operation Underground Railroad group, who don’t have the best reputation, as far as I can tell. But I’m not American so I can only go by what Google tells me.

Maybe you should have gone with the hit that is
Taken.
Now that is an anti trafficking movie, amirite!??
Sound of Freedom is said to inspired by real life events. Events the actual group in question may or may not have “made errors on.”
Allegedly.
Such a combination usually doesn’t sit well with the mainstreamers

Actually joking aside a pretty good movie about the issue is the film adaptions of The Girl Who Played With Fire.
Even the English Language remake is actually pretty good.

Then what should we do about child sex traficking in the US?

Why do you think there politicians and the general public do not want to talk about it?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Politics is intrinsically woven into any call for political action. And giving into calls of emotion like 'think of the children' without due critical evaluation is how we got things like Pizzagate. You got amped up to the topic by what is essentially a piece of political propaganda peddled by two wing nuts with an agenda. Who quite literally exaggerated the severity of the problem and pointed towards solutions motivated by usual religious and far right ideologies.

But even all that aside, the how's of addressing the problem of sex trafficking are going to be inherently political.

Who cares about the movie. How do you think we should go about addressing child sex tracking in the US?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

No, we need to do the talking so the politicians take note. And talking while supporting and promoting lying vigalantees who themselves are doing a lot of harm and destruction isn't how we go about it.

Asking me to? I already am and it didn't take watching a movie from a group of deranged liars to get me there.

Forget the movie. I never asked anyone to support them.

What are you doing to help stop child sex trafficking?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then what should we do about child sex traficking in the US?

Why do you think there politicians and the general public do not want to talk about it?

We oppose it to the best of our abilities. And what makes you think that politicians etc. are not willing to discuss it"? They are not willing to discuss the false versions of QAnon and the like. There is no evidence of child trafficking from a pizza restaurant's nonexistent basement..

It reminds me of the movie Peewee Herman's Great Adventure. He was told that his stolen bicycle was in the basement of the Alamo. Ironically the Alamo does actually have a basement. Peewee ultimately checked it out. His bicycle was not there either:

Though child trafficking is a horrendous crime it does not appear to exist anywhere near the scale that the QAnon crazies claim to exist. You are getting all excited about a false narrative.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

We oppose it to the best of our abilities. And what makes you think that politicians etc. are not willing to discuss it"? They are not willing to discuss the false versions of QAnon and the like. There is no evidence of child trafficking from a pizza restaurant's nonexistent basement..

Get over Qanaon. I never said anything about a pizza place. You say oppose it, How?

It reminds me of the movie Peewee Herman's Great Adventure. He was told that his stolen bicycle was in the basement of the Alamo. Ironically the Alamo does actually have a basement. Peewee ultimately checked it out. His bicycle was not there either:

Though child trafficking is a horrendous crime it does not appear to exist anywhere near the scale that the QAnon crazies claim to exist. You are getting all excited about a false narrative.

I never brought up Qanon, I am not a Qanaon adherent. Forget Qanon. I never asked anyone to support the movie or any organization. I posted statistics from the UN and the US government about child sex trafficking in the US. If you don't think it is a problem then ok.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Get over Qanaon. I never said anything about a pizza place. You say oppose it, How?


I never brought up Qanon, I am not a Qanaon adherent. Forget Qanon. I never asked anyone to support the movie or any organization. I posted statistics from the UN and the US government about child sex trafficking in the US. If you don't think it is a problem then ok.

You don't realize it but you brought up QAnon. Are you forgetting your OP? The movie was a by a man with clear QAnon ties.

I did not see any clear statistics about child trafficking. You used sources that mixed and matched claims improperly. Try to avoid clickbait sites. Go to the sources.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You don't realize it but you brought up QAnon. Are you forgetting your OP? The movie was a by a man with clear QAnon ties.

Do you believe child sex trafficking is a problem to be solved in the US?

I did not see any clear statistics about child trafficking. You used sources that mixed and matched claims improperly. Try to avoid clickbait sites. Go to the sources.

I posted a report from the DOJ and a report from the UN. I will try to find the post.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you believe child sex trafficking is a problem to be solved in the US?

There are all sorts of problems in the US. Many of them cannot be solved right now. How would you solve this problem? How severe do you think that it is?

I posted a report from the DOJ and a report from the UN. I will try to find the post.

I will take a look a them if you repost them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Forget the movie. I never asked anyone to support them.

What are you doing to help stop child sex trafficking?

More than promoting a movie of falsehoods.

never brought up Qanon,

Yes, you did, with rhe movie inthe OP.

 

[SomeRandom]

Then what should we do about child sex traficking in the US?

Why do you think there politicians and the general public do not want to talk about it?

I’m not American so I don’t feel it’s my place (nor do I know enough about how the US government works) to really have much in the way of recommendations.
Like don’t you guys have resources doing this already?
More money into said resources! More training!

And it is a very dark topic, so I’m not really surprised at the reticence of folks to openly discuss it.
Not saying that I think that’s a good thing, we should be willing to discuss this and figure out how to help. Obviously

I just know that films like this have always been denounced by the experts in the actual related fields, because they are ultimately sensationalist and can even detrimentally interfere with actual real life investigations.
Basically by hyping up folks then giving them little in the way of legitimate ways to help out authorities, it can have something of a “self insert Rambo” effect. So then folks are left upset and maybe even cynical as a result. More hesitant to trust actual real life authorities due to their perceived lack of action. When in reality issues such as this require all sorts of intricate investigations and must adhere to the red tape of the law of the land in order to properly bring such folks to justice.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

There are all sorts of problems in the US. Many of them cannot be solved right now. How would you solve this problem? How severe do you think that it is?

Why cannot child sex trafficking be solved? I don't have an answer but not talking about it is not going to work. Maybe mass protests like 2020 (less the violence) to make our politicians to start talking about it, making it a topic in the next general election, more money into enforcement.

I have seen report anywhere from 15,000 - 55,000 women are estimated to be sex trafficked with 25% below 18. I think numbers are going to be hard to come by. I think most estimates are probably high but I can see 3000 or so a year in the US as being reasonable.

I am trying to find it again but I did read that there was an actual 1500 or so child sex victims found in the US from 2004-2007.

I will take a look a them if you repost them.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article264561386.html

This just shows that there are victims in the US.

Human Trafficking Into and Within the United States: A Review of the Literature

By: Heather J. Clawson, Nicole Dutch, Amy Solomon, and Lisa Goldblatt Grace

aspe.hhs.gov

This is a good read and information but very long.

 

[Lyndon]

So I'm a "right-wing wacko" because I expressed skepticism that Forbes is "right of center"?

no, because of the posts you've made on this forum!!

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

More than promoting a movie of falsehoods.

Like what?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I’m not American so I don’t feel it’s my place (nor do I know enough about how the US government works) to really have much in the way of recommendations.
Like don’t you guys have resources doing this already?
More money into said resources! More training!

I can agree.

 

[Lyndon]

The figures you give for child sex trafficking are a drop in the bucket for over 300million people, the real problem is childhood sex abuse for which I am sure the number is in millions not a few thousand

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why cannot child sex trafficking be solved? I don't have an answer but not talking about it is not going to work. Maybe mass protests like 2020 (less the violence) to make our politicians to start talking about it, making it a topic in the next general election, more money into enforcement.

I have seen report anywhere from 15,000 - 55,000 women are estimated to be sex trafficked with 25% below 18. I think numbers are going to be hard to come by. I think most estimates are probably high but I can see 3000 or so a year in the US as being reasonable.

I am trying to find it again but I did read that there was an actual 1500 or so child sex victims found in the US from 2004-2007.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article264561386.html

This just shows that there are victims in the US.

Human Trafficking Into and Within the United States: A Review of the Literature

By: Heather J. Clawson, Nicole Dutch, Amy Solomon, and Lisa Goldblatt Grace

aspe.hhs.gov

This is a good read and information but very long.

For the same reason that there is no solution to almost any crime. Human nature makes it impossible. We can take steps to try to minimize it. We can give comfort and protection to the victims of it.

Do you know what does not help and may harm efforts to do so? Silly movies, with fake heroes put out by scam organizations.