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Something we can all get behind?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
At one time Forbes was right of center. Not anymore.
And yet you haven't actually shown how or why. Just that you believe they are because apparently you (erroneously) believe only LWers support transgender rights. But first you must show how that is a LW thing, but it's impossible to do because one of one my nerdy e-buddies here is just as far RW as I am LW (we're both far out in the outfield) and he is supportive of trans rights.
 

idea

Question Everything
Or at school.

Schools have mandatory reporting laws.

Churches protect pedophiles with clergy privileges.
 

Patrick66

Member

Schools have mandatory reporting laws.

Churches protect pedophiles with clergy privileges.

My point was that children are sometimes sexually abused by school employees.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Get behind Qanon liars? Never.
I'll get behind honest intentions and thise who have abetter understanding of this problem and aren't reckless vigilantees.
I am not asking you to get behind the people who made the film. I am asking for you to get behind stopping child sex trafficking.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
I see claims of that from dubious sources so I have my doubts. When one hears of massage parlor busts and "trafficking' those do appear to be illegal fronts for prostitution, but no sex trafficking charges ever seem to materialize. From what I have heard most women are looking for a way to make a buck. Poverty can be a very powerful force.
So you don't believe children are being sex trafficked in the US?

 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Forbes is "right of center"?

Right of center does not mean far right. Forbes is very much a traditional conservative establishment, one of a few among a dying breed. Today's so called conservatives are really only right-wing populist reactionaries.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So you don't believe children are being sex trafficked in the US?

No, I didn't say that it never happened. But it appears to be grossly exaggerated, as has been shown with the maker of the movie. Your sources on the face of them are not the sort of sources one goes to for solid claims in these matters. The FBI would be the ultimate source for that sort of crime since it breaks federal law.


EDIT: I just checked the 20 "facts" one. I quickly saw that some of their fact are not facts. Sex trafficking of minors is a horrible crime, when it happens, but you need to be able to see through the hysteria.
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I am not asking you to get behind the people who made the film. I am asking for you to get behind stopping child sex trafficking.
Stopping child sex trafficking is a worthwhile endeavour. It should be stopped!

Though the example you gave, I don’t know.
I’m already seeing stories popping up of actual anti trafficking workers denouncing the film as a step backwards in actually helping the issue. Mostly through its connection to that QAnon stuff and this Operation Underground Railroad group, who don’t have the best reputation, as far as I can tell. But I’m not American so I can only go by what Google tells me.

Maybe you should have gone with the hit that is
Taken.
Now that is an anti trafficking movie, amirite!??
Sound of Freedom is said to inspired by real life events. Events the actual group in question may or may not have “made errors on.”
Allegedly.
Such a combination usually doesn’t sit well with the mainstreamers

Actually joking aside a pretty good movie about the issue is the film adaptions of The Girl Who Played With Fire.
Even the English Language remake is actually pretty good.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Stopping child sex trafficking is a worthwhile endeavour. It should be stopped!

Though the example you gave, I don’t know.
I’m already seeing stories popping up of actual anti trafficking workers denouncing the film as a step backwards in actually helping the issue. Mostly through its connection to that QAnon stuff and this Operation Underground Railroad group, who don’t have the best reputation, as far as I can tell. But I’m not American so I can only go by what Google tells me.

Maybe you should have gone with the hit that is
Taken.
Now that is an anti trafficking movie, amirite!??
Sound of F reedom is said to inspired by real life events. Events the actual group in question may or may not have “made errors on.”
Allegedly.
Such a combination usually doesn’t sit well with the mainstreamers

Actually joking aside a pretty good movie about the issue is the film adaptions of The Girl Who Played With Fire.
Even the English Language remake is actually pretty good.
Some people do not understand that opposing a hyped up film that lies about a self promoting group is not opposition to ending child sex trafficking. It exists. It is far rarer than the hypers would have you believe. Most people reporting it are going to be parents concerned about their runaway children. Are their concerns real? Yes. Very much so. Too many underaged children will turn to the sex trades. That does not mean that they are being trafficked. Many of them will try to do this alone. Or even with a boyfriend. That is not organized trafficking. The cure for that is a stronger social services safety net. Not law enforcement. Shut down the source and you cure most of that problem.

The movie wants to create a false hero that will not help the problem at all. If anything it will only make it worse by mischaracterizing what occurs in that area.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
So many are using this topic to make political points instead of actually engaging in the problem, that is part of the problem.
Politics is intrinsically woven into any call for political action. And giving into calls of emotion like 'think of the children' without due critical evaluation is how we got things like Pizzagate. You got amped up to the topic by what is essentially a piece of political propaganda peddled by two wing nuts with an agenda. Who quite literally exaggerated the severity of the problem and pointed towards solutions motivated by usual religious and far right ideologies.

But even all that aside, the how's of addressing the problem of sex trafficking are going to be inherently political.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I agree. We need to somehow get politicians to talk about it and be part of the discussion in elections.
No, we need to do the talking so the politicians take note. And talking while supporting and promoting lying vigalantees who themselves are doing a lot of harm and destruction isn't how we go about it.
I am not asking you to get behind the people who made the film. I am asking for you to get behind stopping child sex trafficking.
Asking me to? I already am and it didn't take watching a movie from a group of deranged liars to get me there.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Some people do not understand that opposing a hyped up film that lies about a self promoting group is not opposition to ending child sex trafficking. It exists. It is far rarer than the hypers would have you believe. Most people reporting it are going to be parents concerned about their runaway children. Are their concerns real? Yes. Very much so. Too many underaged children will turn to the sex trades. That does not mean that they are being trafficked. Many of them will try to do this alone. Or even with a boyfriend. That is not organized trafficking. The cure for that is a stronger social services safety net. Not law enforcement. Shut down the source and you cure most of that problem.

The movie wants to create a false hero that will not help the problem at all. If anything it will only make it worse by mischaracterizing what occurs in that area.
Hmm that’s kind of what I’ve seen the criticism of this film be, from actual experts in that field

I feel like this isn’t the first time this group from the film has been involved in a movie that was similarly criticised by said experts.
A previous documentary maybe? I don’t know. This all just seems familiar
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hmm that’s kind of what I’ve seen the criticism of this film be, from actual experts in that field

I feel like this isn’t the first time this group from the film has been involved in a movie that was similarly criticised by said experts.
A previous documentary maybe? I don’t know. This all just seems familiar
It is an old formula, and then they wonder why the critics bash them. Either grossly overstate or misstate a problem. Second claim that the hero of the film has had way more success fighting this problem than any reliable source gives him credit for. One quote I saw in my scanning of various articles was that law enforcement claimed that there was almost zero contribution in their successes by OURS.

I think that we are all against child trafficking, but one does not solve a problem with fictional stories by grifters.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
It is an old formula, and then they wonder why the critics bash them. Either grossly overstate or misstate a problem. Second claim that the hero of the film has had way more success fighting this problem than any reliable source gives him credit for. One quote I saw in my scanning of various articles was that law enforcement claimed that there was almost zero contribution in their successes by OURS.

I think that we are all against child trafficking, but one does not solve a problem with fictional stories by grifters.
I mean on the one hand I can understand why these films exist. This is a very heavily dark topic, movies or books providing a hero’s journey answer makes us all feel good. Like there is an easy solution and thus we can rest easy, safe in the knowledge that we somehow “helped” by a donation to some group or whatever

Mostly a “West” Western thing though (in terms of entertainment) I’ve noticed. Like Hollywood and a few Brit films do this, though the Brit movies do this maybe without the religious aspect. Mostly.

Films from other countries or independent films tend to take a more “realistic” approach. Perhaps still with a too easy solution, but they’re grittier. Like I mentioned earlier The Girl Who Played with Fire. Both the book series and movie adaptions are far darker than most Hollywood films, but the English language remakes are perhaps a tiny bit happier than their originals (arguably.) And it’s a genuinely good series, imo

But yeah, films like this does go one step further and actively sensationalise it. Causing folks to try to “take up arms” without pointing them towards an actual genuine way to help the issue. So they’re sort of lost but angry and hyped up.

I’m sure there’s like entire sociology studies on the results these sorts of movies has on communities by now lol
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
So many are using this topic to make political points instead of actually engaging in the problem, that is part of the problem.
Agreed. So many minds have been enraptured by the political beasts that many people just can't think straight when it comes to these problems. Pragmatism and practicality completely go out the window when minds are seized in such a manner, except when it comes to short-term political victories and ways to raise money to feed the political beasts. Actually addressing the problems being neglected will first require people being enraptured to make some real effort on the part of those individuals regarding getting a handle on their own minds.
 
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