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Something's wrong with the US

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...player-an-a--at-north-carolina-151005969.html

I've supported education for years. It's probably the most important thing in life. I've always disliked how athletes are put on a pedestal in this country. And professional athletes just p*** me off to no end.

And then there's this article. This is why sports should be considered something very unimportant, professional sports should be highly downplayed, and athletes payed much, much less than they do now.

Sports or education: which is more important? I know which one is to me, but it seems that most Americans would disagree.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...player-an-a--at-north-carolina-151005969.html

I've supported education for years. It's probably the most important thing in life. I've always disliked how athletes are put on a pedestal in this country. And professional athletes just p*** me off to no end.

And then there's this article. This is why sports should be considered something very unimportant, professional sports should be highly downplayed, and athletes payed much, much less than they do now.

Sports or education: which is more important? I know which one is to me, but it seems that most Americans would disagree.

I believe most Americans value education over sports but Greed gets in the way. The fallacy is that if I have billions of dollars I don't need an education. Look to sports again, how many go broke after retiring.

American is built on freedom all we can do is punish those that break the rules. I am sure this school will be punished. Will it fix anything I doubt it.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Whether it be privileged brats or overpaid grown men, watching them chase balls around has always been regarded as a greater importance than an actual education or even justice and ethics. Are they a thuggish rapist who can barely spell their own name? Who cares, watch how well they toss that ball! Redemption!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Wtf?! I was thinking that was the paper of a middle school student at first! :eek: I didn't even finish high school, so this is giving me reason to feel good about myself. Lol.
 
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Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Let's take the first step: replace all the revenue brought in by sports with voluntary contributions by its naysayers!
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
I grew up in the deep south, so I've seen instances of this first hand. I graduated high school with six advanced maths and six advanced sciences. My AP Calculus II and AP Physics classes were taught by head varsity sports coaches, and half filled with athletes who could barely spell their names, yet passed the classes with flying colors. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. It annoys me to no end to see this type of bs happen.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I remember getting a little irritated when students, with very low grade-point averages got scholarships to college while kids who were very smart had to pay. But, over the years, I realize that it isn't going to change. Those colleges rely on their sports programs.

And then, this morning, my husband tells me of yet another sport's "hero" is going to prison for beating his wife.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I remember getting a little irritated when students, with very low grade-point averages got scholarships to college while kids who were very smart had to pay. But, over the years, I realize that it isn't going to change. Those colleges rely on their sports programs.

And then, this morning, my husband tells me of yet another sport's "hero" is going to prison for beating his wife.
 

yoda89

On Xtended Vacation
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MD

qualiaphile
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...player-an-a--at-north-carolina-151005969.html

I've supported education for years. It's probably the most important thing in life. I've always disliked how athletes are put on a pedestal in this country. And professional athletes just p*** me off to no end.

And then there's this article. This is why sports should be considered something very unimportant, professional sports should be highly downplayed, and athletes payed much, much less than they do now.

Sports or education: which is more important? I know which one is to me, but it seems that most Americans would disagree.

One of the reasons why China is the next superpower
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...player-an-a--at-north-carolina-151005969.html

I've supported education for years. It's probably the most important thing in life. I've always disliked how athletes are put on a pedestal in this country. And professional athletes just p*** me off to no end.

And then there's this article. This is why sports should be considered something very unimportant, professional sports should be highly downplayed, and athletes payed much, much less than they do now.

Sports or education: which is more important? I know which one is to me, but it seems that most Americans would disagree.

Honestly, I'm on the edge of disbelieving this story. I seriously can't imagine someone who knows how to play sports who would write something that mindlessly. It's no help that athletes are often regarded as unintelligible to popular media imagery, because a lot of people assume that just because someone is physically able, they are mentally unable. It's simply not true, and I believe that myth inspired this article. But then again I admit that I could be wrong and this is absolutely real, but I've learned not to always trust Yahoo News.

But even so, don't you think that is a little bit pushing it? Wanting people to all of the sudden consider a certain topic as "very unimportant"? I don't see a reason, even if this article was true, why people should consider sports as very unimportant, or that they need to be downplayed.

I do however agree that athletes make a lot more money than they need to and that clogs the circulation. The same goes for moviestars, rockstars, etc. I hate to say it, but even the stars I idolize really shouldn't be making all of that money. Doesn't matter if they put it to a good cause or not; entertainment is overpayed and medical fields are very much underpayed (or in your opinion education fields, which works too but I see medical fields to be more important personally)

I think most people do value education over sports, in fact I can't see how you'd come to the conclusion that most Americans wouldn't hold that true.

It's not that sports is a bad topic. It's a form of entertainment, and entertainment is very important. I'm not a sports junkie myself, I know next to nothing about the general topic, but I'm in no way against it. The only thing that I'm against is it being placed above the more important things. Economically I can definitely see it as being higher valued, and I'm against that. Socially I believe most people are willing to admit that they value health, education, etc. over it.

The reason why it works this way is because of the way our economy works modernly, and it's not just a USA thing, it's financially global. We are under Corporatism (do not mistake with Capitalism). Our economy isn't under our control, it's under control of our demand. The two are inaccurately synchronized. We tend to find our own way to health and only turn to the market for health when it is necessary, the same with education, and other essential things. When it comes to entertainment, it's hard to be creative when even sticks and stones are owned by companies, and hard to be entertained when some companies have better sticks and stones than others. Entertainment surrounds us, for the sole reason it engulfed us in the first place: Whenever we are not keeping ourselves alive, we are living (being entertained) and so we are entertaining ourselves more often than we are keeping up with our survival needs.

And so it became a key factor in our consciousness, companies, even for survival needs, needed to be entertaining to some degree in order to interest us. This creates competition with better entertainment.

That competition created the recognition of companies wanting to own those things entertaining us. Finally, that led us to where we are: Entertainment becomes more financially important than survival necessities. That's tragic, but not much that we can do about it for now.

But it's extreme to think sports should be considered very unimportant.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
I grew up in the deep south, so I've seen instances of this first hand. I graduated high school with six advanced maths and six advanced sciences. My AP Calculus II and AP Physics classes were taught by head varsity sports coaches, and half filled with athletes who could barely spell their names, yet passed the classes with flying colors. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. It annoys me to no end to see this type of bs happen.

I am experiencing similar, except I believe it has less to do with the fact that these people are athletes and more with the fact that these people are... hate this term... popular*.

* = As in more accepted in the mini-society of the high school and by logic more accepted by the staff.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
As for the title of the thread; I'd like to just say this: There certainly is something wrong with the US, but why focus on only that portion when there's something wrong with humanity in general?
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste

Speaking as an American, I am sort of sick of this stupid emphasis on sports over other more important activities, and I am tired of many of the "ball" players who are turned into idols and the next thing you know they want to tell us who should be President or some real bender like the telling us the nut running North Korea is a great guy.

I think back to my childhood, baseball was a big deal thing. Yet, it wasn't as much just the game, the "idols" of the sport were on "baseball cards" and really the collection of these cards had more passion in it than listening to the game on a transistor radio Made In Japan.

You get a Mickey Mantle, or Willie Mays and so on, we would go nuts. All the boys would spent hours gazing at these scraps of cardboard with the image of a baseball "hero" and reading the stats on the back of the card.

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... so there was something else going on here. It wasn't just "watching the game". There was more to it, but I can't just put "my finger on it".

I guess, there was an element of madness, a "collectable" craze to it. Like, "collecting the (heroes)" in your home shrine.

Today the equivalent might be the "hat on backwards" crowd. They wear (but also collect) the sports caps of their favorite team, then wear it tipped, sideways, backwards, like it's an expensive topper (though these caps can actually BE expensive), typically of the team of some player who is the current idol. I actually can't stand these people, but... it is on the same "universe" as the baseball card collectors of my youth.

I have a big box of these old baseball cards, some of them worth money so I still have them today - who knows it might buy me a nice vacation one day to Timbuktu. Back in the day, the common purchase would be a pack of cards wrapped in waxy paper with a stick of gum, sold at the dime store. But in those days there were also these machines, like slot machines, in pharmacies or such, where you slide a nickle in, pull a lever, and about 5 cards would pop out.

The thing about these machines were, they were the real "treasure chest". Because, let's say the year was 1965. But these machines were socked up with OLD cards. You slide the nickle, and out pops a 1959 Brooks Robinson or something. Don't know how this was possible that someone was loading them up with stacks of such old cards, but it was true. I guess they had stockpiles of cards, and would just refill the machine with them.

By the 1960s, American Football and the NFL was overtaking baseball in popularity. The "Superbowl" began, and each successive one was a television phenomenon.

The days of The Oakland Raiders, and coach John Madden lumbering on the sidelines, seeing something on the field and he goes into a tantrum, ripping the headphones off and throwing them onto the ground.

You see, again here is something that I can't just put my finger on. Meaning, it was NOT just about "watching the game". It was like, personalities. These "creatures" start to become part of the family.

Like... ABC Monday Night Football.

And Howard Cosell, sportscaster.

He had sort of a big nose. To match the big game. Everyone would tune in to Howard.

Watching Howard was not exactly watching the game. The game, and then there was THE VOICE. The voice of Howard.

John Lennon became his friend. And of course the Howard Cosell - Cassius Clay/Mohammed Ali antics were a phenomenon in itself. The famous boxer with Howard. The cigar. The game was on. The crowd roared. As Ali would drop some cigar ash on Howard's toupee. No balls were involved.

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So this "American sickness", well it isn't just about watching the game. There is some other addition mixed into the drink.

But I don't know what it is, Mr. Jones. But just talking about these things... suddenly I have this urge to go turn on FOX Soccer Channel and watch Manchester United.

And the odd thing is, ... that isn't even an American game.

I need help.

Does Beckham still play?

"DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!"

"Montana in motion, high pass, TO THE END ZONE, Clark the receiver, CLARK LEAPING FROM THE BACK OF THE END ZONE (ah) IT'S IN HIS FINGER TIPS - TOUCH DOWN FORTY NINERS! TOUCH DOWN FORTY NINERS! TOUCH DOWN FORTY NINERS!"

"Time out has been called, 3 seconds remaining, John Smith is on the line, and... I don't care what's on the line, ... what we just - said - what we know in the booth... YES we have to say it, just remember this is just a football game, no matter who wins or loses, an unspeakable tragedy converb'd to us by ABC News in New York City, John Lennon, outside his apartment building on the west side of New York City, John Lennon, the most famous perhaps of all of the Beatles, shot twice in the back, rushed to Roosevelt Hospital, DEAD ON ARRIVAL"

"Sports... is the toy department of human life."

"And that wraps it up for the Los Angeles Lakers and this 2016 season, what a disaster of an ending! If only the ... wait. One moment... I ... we are having an earthquake. Whoah ... it's shaking, baby! I am getting a read in from ABC and ----------------- .......... --------------"

Om Namah Sivaya
 
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