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Ezek 18:4 - this has to do w/ the souls of Jews who are not observant of Mitzvot and turn away from HaShemmay said:The human soul ceases to exist at death .Ezek 18;4 Eccl 9;10 psalm 6;5 psalm 146;4 john 11;11-14
I are one of they.jewscout said:....i'll leave John 11:11-14 to the christians to deal w/
KJV from Bible.comJohn 11:11-14 11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
according to some , who claim to follow the bible ,when a person dies they go to heaven or hell ,but according to the bible they just go to the grave,so imortality of the soul is not in line with the bible thats how it looks to me.so what is right then,imortality of the soul or the bible.CaptainXeroid said:I are one of they.
KJV from Bible.com
I fail to see how this proves 'The human soul ceases to exist at death.', so perhaps you could provide some insight as to how you drew this conclusion. Then we would have a reference for a meaningful discussion.
The body is merely a 'vehicle' for the Sou'ls incarnation on earth.may said:so the question is ,what is the soul
Do we really have an immortal soul? If the soul is actually not immortal, then how could such a false teaching become an integral part of so many of todays religions? Where did the idea come from?
"Dust you are and to dust you will return."GENESIS 3:19
The Hebrew word translated "soul" is ne´phesh, What does ne´phesh mean? According to The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, it "usually refers to the entire living being, to the whole individual." This is borne out by the Bibles description of the soul at Genesis 2:7: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." Note that the first man "came to be" a soul. That is to say, Adam did not have a soul; he was a souljust as someone who becomes a doctor is a doctor. The word "soul," then, here describes the whole person.
IMHO, yes, we have an immortal soul. So, I guess you are saying that in your opinion, the soul is false teaching. Obviously, many people would disagree. Doing a quick search, I'd say the idea that we have soul that is seperate from our corporeal form comes from the Bible. Here's one example.may said:so the question is ,what is the soul
Do we really have an immortal soul? If the soul is actually not immortal, then how could such a false teaching become an integral part of so many of todays religions? Where did the idea come from?...
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
I disagree, but then you and I may have entirely different definitions of the word "soul." I believe that a human being consists of a "spirit" and a "physical body." I'm assuming that most of us would agree about what a physical body is. But we don't always see eye-to-eye on what the word "spirit" means. I see the spirit as the thinking, feeling part of man, his will, his consciousness, his identity and personality. When the spirit first enters the physical body (whether at conception or at birth, I'm not certain), man becomes "a living soul." The physical body is subject to disease and death, and ultimately to decay. The spirit leaves the body at death, but in no way ceases to exist. At the resurrection, it will re-enter the body (which, at that time, will be restored to a perfect, immortal state). So I would agree with you to this extent: a human being doesn't have a soul, but is a soul. On the other hard, I definitely can't go along with the idea that the spirit part of man ceases to exist at death. There is simply too much evidence to the contrary.may said:The human soul ceases to exist at death.
so where does the bible tell us that we have a spirit such as a shadowy spirit that leaves the body at death ,rather the bible says that we are in Gods memory awaiting the ressurection, when the bible says the spirit goes back to God it just means that our future prospects lie in Gods hands to ressurect usKatzpur said:I disagree, but then you and I may have entirely different definitions of the word "soul." I believe that a human being consists of a "spirit" and a "physical body." I'm assuming that most of us would agree about what a physical body is. But we don't always see eye-to-eye on what the word "spirit" means. I see the spirit as the thinking, feeling part of man, his will, his consciousness, his identity and personality. When the spirit first enters the physical body (whether at conception or at birth, I'm not certain), man becomes "a living soul." The physical body is subject to disease and death, and ultimately to decay. The spirit leaves the body at death, but in no way ceases to exist. At the resurrection, it will re-enter the body (which, at that time, will be restored to a perfect, immortal state). So I would agree with you to this extent: a human being doesn't have a soul, but is a soul. On the other hard, I definitely can't go along with the idea that the spirit part of man ceases to exist at death. There is simply too much evidence to the contrary.
I don't know about a "shadowy" spirit (sound kind of spooky, actually), but I am convinced that the human spirit lives on after death.may said:so where does the bible tell us that we have a spirit such as a shadowy spirit that leaves the body at death ,rather the bible says that we are in Gods memory awaiting the ressurection, when the bible says the spirit goes back to God it just means that our future prospects lie in Gods hands to ressurect us
If this is the case, why can't I find anywhere in Genesis your definition of the spirit being "the image of God (invisibility)" being "created in man for communication with God? In plain English, please explain your understanding of the words "spirit" and "soul." I'd like to be able to understand your point of view; I'm not just being argumentative.true blood said:Body, Soul, Spirit are explained in Gen. during the forming, making and creation of man and everything returns unto it's orginal state, eventually. Body is formed from the elements of the planet. Soul was breathed into the nostrils and the life of the soul is in the blood. Spirit, the image of God (invisibility), was created in man for communication with God.
Katzpur said:I don't know about a "shadowy" spirit (sound kind of spooky, actually), but I am convinced that the human spirit lives on after death.
In 1 Peter 3:18-20, it says: "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
So why do you think that Jesus visited the spirit in prison and preached to them? If their thoughts perish, as you believe, what was the purpose of that visit?