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Soundless sound

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,

according to Sanatan Dharma, the sound *OM* or *AUM*. is the eternal sound from which creation started.

Meditators hear this sound when they *still their Mind*. It cannot be perceived by normal ears as it is an UNSTRUCK sound so it is called a soundless sound.
Believe followers of islam hear it as *HUU*, personally hear it as a sounds of cricket and in deeper realms as sounds of many temple bells.
If others have any experiences of having heard such sounds; do share the same.

Have two interesting perspectives but totally different but related to the OP in different ways.


Inventor Creates Soundless Sound System
"Elwood "Woody" Norris pointed a metal frequency emitter at one of perhaps 30 people who had come to see his invention. The emitter — an aluminum square — was hooked up by a wire to a CD player. Norris switched on the CD player.

"There's no speaker, but when I point this pad at you, you will hear the waterfall," said the 63-year-old Californian.

And one by one, each person in the audience did, and smiled widely."
Norris' HyperSonic Sound system has won him an award coveted by inventors — the $500,000 annual Lemelson-MIT Prize. It works by sending a focused beam of sound above the range of human hearing. When it lands on you, it seems like sound is coming from inside your head."

Violinist in the Metro
A man sat at a metro station in Washington DC and started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that thousands of people went through the station, most of them on their way to work.

Three minutes went by and a middle aged man noticed there was musician playing. He slowed his pace and stopped for a few seconds and then hurried up to meet his schedule.

A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw the money in the till and without stopping continued to walk.

A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late for work.

The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother tagged him along, hurried but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. Finally the mother pushed hard and the child continued to walk turning his head all the time This action was repeated by several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on.

In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition.

No one knew this but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the best musicians in the world. He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written with a violin worth 3.5 million dollars.

Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston and the seats averaged $100.

Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station was organized by the Washington Post as part of an social experiment about perception, taste and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected context?

One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be:

If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things are we missing?


The above clearly brings out that we as humans are so much involved with our desires and attachments that we have no time to listen to even music through our ears, then when will one silence his thoughts to listen to the eternal soundless sound?

Love & rgds
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
As we age from childhood the dynamic range of frequencies we perceive as sound, diminish as we loose the high end after adulthood. Most of the sounds we hear and use in speech and music are in the range 25-2000Hz, Middle C is 440Hz, so 5-20Khz is hardly used except as a warning something high pitched is approaching.

The first example's statement, that no loudspeakers were present is contradicted by the fact that you have an oscillating metal plate, which to my mind is in fact just another loud speaker, but directional.

In the second example a violin can put out some pretty high notes a child would hear that an adult may not. The other thing is the class perception this example shows, people rushing to a paid job feel superior to an unemployed busker. But when they percieve (Through media and advertising) that this person is perceived as a master the roles are reversed and they are happy to see him at $100 a pop. The third possibility is your average subway commuter does not like classical music.

Further how, prior to modern medical understanding, did the ancients interpret tinnitus, which sounds like continuous ringing, wind, waterfalls, cricket sounds that only you can hear but is soundless to all others. Perhaps I am privileged to hear the sound of the universe as ringing continuously in my ear even though the doctor said it was tinnitus.

Cheers
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Tiapan,
Thank you for your response and sharing your views.
You could be right about the examples as for the 2nd on just wanted to show how we humans are driven by our desires and not by nature, beauty, music , poetry forget meditation. When turn to those mostly as an after thought.
But potentially each human is a god but just needs to be conscious.
Rgds the ringing sound - so far find no mention however am sure initially one should be hearing some sound which is not struck or soundless sound. Lets see how many others have any experiences here.

Love & rgds
Love & rgds
 
I have experienced a soundless sound. I don't whether I could classify it, but to me it's more of an ohm/huu of a deeply rich bell after it has been struck and left to sound on its own for a time and it reverberates sound waves within itself, and it's the resonance that I most love. It feels like the sound is being heard by every cell in my body.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend HH,

I have experienced a soundless sound. I don't whether I could classify it, but to me it's more of an ohm/huu of a deeply rich bell after it has been struck and left to sound on its own for a time and it reverberates sound waves within itself, and it's the resonance that I most love. It feels like the sound is being heard by every cell in my body.

thats IT!
You have your path / way / religion.
Your search ends here.
Just be aware of this sound at all moments even during sleep.
Rest it will do what is necessary.
Keep in touch.
PM or email, anytime as necessary.

LOve & rgds
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
It is my understanding that the 'OM' heard in meditation practice when the mind is quite still involves a transformational effect on the consciousness of the Dhyani.

Wonder if this research is on to something?

Ultrasound Shown To Exert Remote Control Of Brain Circuits

ScienceDaily (Nov. 2, 2008) — In a twist on nontraditional uses of ultrasound, a group of neuroscientists at Arizona State University has developed pulsed ultrasound techniques that can remotely stimulate brain circuit activity.

Their findings, published in the Oct. 29 issue of the journal Public Library of Science (PLoS) One, provide insights into how low-power ultrasound can be harnessed for the noninvasive neurostimulation of brain circuits and offers the potential for new treatments of brain disorders and disease.
Ultrasound Shown To Exert Remote Control Of Brain Circuits
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ben,

It is my understanding that the 'OM' heard in meditation practice when the mind is quite still involves a transformational effect on the consciousness of the Dhyani.

Could you elaborate on it; How??

Love & rgds
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Hi zenzero,

My experience is that there a 'mysterious' process associated with religious practice that involves a transformation of consciousness. This transformation is one that involves a transition of consciousneess from a predominately self centered/referenced dualistic perspective of reality to an ever waxing of universal non-dual realization of reality.

After many years of meditation practice based on stilling the mind, the now familiar inner sound of a background hissing/humming/ringing vibration emerged to become one with my conscious aweareness whenever my mind became quite tranquil. At the time, I was not familiar with the concept of 'OM", but nevertheless found that by concentrating on the sound, my mind more easily became still.

However after some time praticing this meditation, there developed a stirring of what seemed like electrical standing wave-like energy pulsating in my spine in the sacral area, later this energy worked its way through the spine to the head where extraordinary alternate states of consciousness were experienced,..some very sensual, some very blissful, and some very painful and frightening. The most frightening aspect was that the energy flowing in my body was no longer present just during meditation practice, but was now out of my control and 'I' was being continuously subjected to extraordinary shifts of states of consciousness that ranged from the most sublime bliss to the most nightmarish fears.

This process started in the 1980s and continues until now and the transformation of consciousness is now at a stage that thare are frequent periods where there really is nothing that can be spoken of that the normal self centered consciousness would be either interested in or to be able to comprehend in any event, and that includes my own. :)

Friend Ben D
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Ben,
:thud:
Bow to that.

Though am yet to reach your level of consciousness but am of the understanding that existence is both form and no-form, consciousness and un-consciousness etc. and it alternates between the two as per one's breath incoming / outgoing.
It is for this reason that both bliss and fear alternates at all times

This pattern is always in motion, evolving but the alternation of breath remains and so every form keeps undergoing the constant evolution depending on the level of consciousness on form is able to attain.
It is for this reason that even Gautama knowing well about the death of the form in the form of that food coming his way allowed existence to do its needful and death of that body [the vessel / container].

Personal understanding is that one needs to find the middle path between bliss and fear and to not be swayed by either is what the middle path is all about. To be just CONSCIOUSNESS!

Love & rgds
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Dear zenzero,

Yes, it makes sense that the teaching of the middle path came out of the experience of conciousness being buffeted by the alternating states the yet unrealized disciple is subjected to. However it is also probable that even if one had no pre-knowledge of the teaching of the middle path, the perfective process of Kundalini would eventually still ensure the unfolding of non-dual consciousness simultaneous with the waning of the inclination to dualism.

Concerning 'my' consciousness, it is of course dualistic still and hence no more or less different to the norm, but there is sometime very brief periods of respite when THAT beyond words or thoughts IS. As the Third Zen Patriarch said, "When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised, make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart".

However even through the difficult journey of the transitional 'process' where one is no longer fully on this side of the river, and not fully arrived at the other also, the scriptures of the great religions of the world make great sense to the confused mind in ways that transcend intellectual understanding and penetrate the very depths of the heart of the disciple to illuminate the unspeakable glory of Divine Being. However, when there is no this side or the other, then there is nothing left to do or say....... :namaste
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ben,

However it is also probable that even if one had no pre-knowledge of the teaching of the middle path, the perfective process of Kundalini would eventually still ensure the unfolding of non-dual consciousness simultaneous with the waning of the inclination to dualism.
It is certain as evolution eventually leads every form that WAY!
And yes, as BEINGs we are always on the WAY, always in the state of reaching.
yes, having reached one maynot have to communicate through any RF!

Love & rgds
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Friend ben,


It is certain as evolution eventually leads every form that WAY!
And yes, as BEINGs we are always on the WAY, always in the state of reaching.
yes, having reached one maynot have to communicate through any RF!

Love & rgds

Friend zenzero,

Haha....yes, ironically RF could even be a medium that helps to provide the resources and inspiration that is conducive to the acceleration of this sacred process. :D
 

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
Friends,

according to Sanatan Dharma, the sound *OM* or *AUM*. is the eternal sound from which creation started.

Meditators hear this sound when they *still their Mind*. It cannot be perceived by normal ears as it is an UNSTRUCK sound so it is called a soundless sound.
Believe followers of islam hear it as *HUU*, personally hear it as a sounds of cricket and in deeper realms as sounds of many temple bells.
If others have any experiences of having heard such sounds; do share the same.

Sanatan Dharma = *OM/AUM*
Christianity = *I AM*

"... Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?" God said to Moses, "I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'... " (Exodus 13-14)

:D
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Midnight Pete,

Thank you very much for this information!
Had not come across this.
Thanks you.

Love & rgds
 

Arav

Jain
In Paramahansa Yogananda's Book, "The Yoga of Jesus", the sound "Aum" is said to be the Holy Spirit. In deep meditation one will hear this cosmic vibration and it will lead to communion with God. Thus true freedom comes from Aum. Seek it and you will find the kingdom of God.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Arav,

Seek it and you will find the kingdom of God.

That is the language friend Jesus used for communication but the mind perceiving it mostly has been unable to grasp it.
The reality is that when one does not seek, IT is there. It plays hide and seek!
just that awareness is enough as it is the same vibration each form is made of including this human form we are in.

Love & rgds
 
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