Southern Border - My Point Is Now Confirmed

[Colt]

The 2,000,000 "sneaking" in immediately turned themselves in to border patrol on purpose. They weren't trying to avoid border patrol

National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd to NPR:

JUDD: Yeah. The border was a different place back then in some ways. Back then, immigration authorities caught a lot fewer border crossers. By DHS' own estimate, there were nearly 4 million illegal crossings that year, and Border Patrol agents caught less than half. And the demographics were also very different then. It was mostly single men, mostly from Mexico. And they were, you know, largely trying to evade capture by the Border Patrol.

Border arrests have hit an all-time high, but the numbers don't tell the whole story

 

[Kathryn]

The 2,000,000 "sneaking" in immediately turned themselves in to border patrol on purpose. They weren't trying to avoid border patrol

Is that why so many don't come thru official points of entry?

 

[tytlyf]

National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd to NPR:

JUDD: Yeah. The border was a different place back then in some ways. Back then, immigration authorities caught a lot fewer border crossers. By DHS' own estimate, there were nearly 4 million illegal crossings that year, and Border Patrol agents caught less than half. And the demographics were also very different then. It was mostly single men, mostly from Mexico. And they were, you know, largely trying to evade capture by the Border Patrol.

Border arrests have hit an all-time high, but the numbers don't tell the whole story

The first paragraph mentions what I said. Migrants are turning themselves in immediately, a small % attempt to avoid detection.

"The Border Patrol recorded nearly 1.7 million apprehensions in the past year, eclipsing the record set in 2000. Still, the number of migrants crossing illegally is likely far below the all-time high."

 

[Kathryn]

I mean, there's at least 50 legal points of entry along the southern border, which is under 2000 miles long.

 

[tytlyf]

Is that why so many don't come thru official points of entry?

A small % do. And even then they're finding the nearest Border patrol enforcement and turning themselves in.

 

[Kathryn]

A small % do. And even then they're finding the nearest Border patrol enforcement and turning themselves in.

Preciouses.

 

[Kathryn]

A small % do. And even then they're finding the nearest Border patrol enforcement and turning themselves in.

And right at 50 percent of them are rapidly expelled from the US. (48 percent)

Border apprehensions exceed 2 million this year: Enforcement increases as GOP buses migrants elsewhere

U.S. Border Patrol apprehensions have exceeded 2 million so far this fiscal year, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data.

abcnews.go.com

 

[sun rise]

I don’t see the comparison. Those who went to Canada and Mexico weren’t there to destroy their countries and were received. I’m talking about those who are coming in to destroy America and there is no way to stop them.

How do you determine that a tiny minority are criminals unless they've committed a crime already?

 

[tytlyf]

And right at 50 percent of them are rapidly expelled from the US. (48 percent)

Border apprehensions exceed 2 million this year: Enforcement increases as GOP buses migrants elsewhere

U.S. Border Patrol apprehensions have exceeded 2 million so far this fiscal year, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data.

abcnews.go.com

Due to title 42 (covid era) which isn't in effect anymore.

 

[F1fan]

I mean, there's at least 50 legal points of entry along the southern border, which is under 2000 miles long.

The current laws deport most of those who file for asylum. There is no temporary work permits, so for those who want to either find temporary work, or stay in the USA (usually with friends or family who are already in the USA) they have a better chance of staying long term by avoiding the system. I have a friend who entered the USA about 20 years ago when he was 17, coming from El Salvador. He was a bike racer and had his own business, along with a wife and child. By all accounts he was a good citizen who paid taxes like anyone else. He was caught in a small Missouri town in a speed trap that was set at 15 mph. It was a notorious town known to make quite a bit of revenue with this absurd speed limit. Anyway Alex was now in the system, and he has a lawyer working his case. That he has a family and has not been in any trouble goes a long way. His case has been in the system for about 6 years now, and no resolution. He has faced deportation a few times but his lawyers have been able to stop it given his wife and child need his income, an for the sake of the child.

I personally asked him about why he crossed illegally. Many reasons. One was that migrants know the system is expensive and stressful, and like anyone other human we avoid stress. He had family in the USA that he could work for. Migrants know that once they are in the system and end up being deported, it is a closed door in the long run. He said El Salvador was extremely violent and gangs tried to get young boys involved whether they want to or not. Migrants know they have two options: enter and file for asylum and take their chances with the courts, or enter illegally and try to live under the radar. Alex took his chances as an undocumented person. And he got away with it for over a decade. His record and his lack of trouble gives him a chance to remain in the USA. If he is deported what happens to his family? Allow your Christian beliefs to guide your judgment here.

Alex is a good guy and well liked in the cycling community, and we can see that his personality would not fit with violent gangs. Unlike Trump's claims migrants aren't rapists and theives. Data shows most are good people seeking safe lives and better opportunies.

At this point the reform bill that Trump sabotaged is done. The only chance for reform is for democrats to regain congress and the presidency. Until then the law as it stands will not prevent border crossings, nor give migrants more hope to find a better life through legal channels.

 

[Kathryn]

Due to title 42 (covid era) which isn't in effect anymore.

Why are the numbers of illegal immigrants or as you say, immigrants in general, going up? I mean, since apparently it's not kosher to say "illegal immigrants." Even if they are here illegally and came here through non official POEs to avoid stress.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the 1960s anti-war protestors, a.k.a. draft-dodgers fled to Canada in droves.

The draft dodgers were the best that
USA had to offer....young smart healthy
men who weren't in the clergy, or politically
connected to corrupt politicians.
BTW, Canuckistan had border check points.

 

[Kathryn]

The draft dodgers were the best that
USA had to offer....young smart healthy
men who weren't in the clergy, or politically
connected to corrupt politicians.
BTW, Canuckistan had border check points.

Originally, you said "the word." GASP!

 

[Revoltingest]

Originally, you said "the word." GASP!

I got rid of "illegals" because of ambiguity.
Not illegal per Canuckistan's perspective,
but illegal to evade the draft per USA's
perspective.

You are quick!

 

[Kathryn]

I got rid of "illegals" because of ambiguity.
Not illegal per Canuckistan's perspective,
but illegal to evade the draft per USA's
perspective.

You are quick!

I am!

 

[Spice]

The draft dodgers were the best that
USA had to offer....young smart healthy
men who weren't in the clergy, or politically
connected to corrupt politicians.
BTW, Canuckistan had border check points.

Agreed. Which you help to clarify one of the points of my position on the border. Regardless of the talk, not all who come by way of stealth are "undesirables." In fact I would venture to say they're some of their country's best-of-heart. Otherwise they would meld into what they chose to leave behind.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

not understanding your thoughts here.

What happened to Canada that makes it similar?
What happened to Mexico from 1850 - 1940?

And how do the both of these correlate to the millions that are passing through our borders?

And the last is conjecture. Application?

It means you're hyoerfovused on one thing while ignoring the whole.

 

[metis]

Those who went to Canada and Mexico weren’t there to destroy their countries and were received. I’m talking about those who are coming in to destroy America and there is no way to stop them.

The overall crime rate with the "illegals" is lower than with Americans borne here, so maybe they should kick you and I out.

Oh, wait a minute,

 

[Kenny]

How do you determine that a tiny minority are criminals unless they've committed a crime already?

Two thoughts along with a pre-thought

Pre-thought - the main issue is that we are so overloaded at the border, that the “criminals” can get through because the border-police are overladed and can’t concentrate of the people that have ulterior motives.

1) 736 known terrorists came in. Which begs the question of “how many came in that we don’t know about”. The reason that many and more tried is because they know now is the opportunity.
2) I’m all for increasing immigration. The purpose of legal immigration is give an extra layer of security. When my wife went through the process, we had to have a background check, an added layer of protection. It then goes to the States to see if they find any “flags”. If there are flags, it can be researched.

If it were “legal entry only” then the border can concentrate (and send back) those who shouldn’t come in and then find those who are coming in because of persecution and go through the route necessary (obviously these people would show up for their requirement meeting in front of the judge.

 

[Kathryn]

I have had two close family experiences with legal immigration and I am all for it. The first was when my brother married an Iranian girl. Her passage here was blocked, not because she was Iranian but because of someone in her family. My dad even tried contacting our state representative, who couldn't do anything. Eventually my brother gave up. This was thirty years ago and long before 9/11. The other time was about ten years ago. My son married a South Korean woman. She was approved and became an American citizen. I watched this on video. Oh, wait, I have three experiences because my brother also was adopted from Seoul and became an American citizen as well. It didn't take him as long as it took my DIL but still, it was a process and I doubt any of them were inexpensive endeavors. My family wasn't wealthy at all and no one ever asked for a penny. It just needed to be done and was done.