Spanking Kids in Kansas

[Saint Frankenstein]

mmmm, yummy lol.

Albert Fish would agree. Oh, and he was severely abused as a child, too, including being "unmercifully whipped".

 

[psychoslice]

Albert Fish would agree. Oh, and he was severely abused as a child, too.

**** happens.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

**** happens.

You're really starting to **** me off.

 

[psychoslice]

You're really starting to **** me off.

Ohhh, I thought you loved me ?.

 

[Thana]

I don't really understand the outrage at spanking kids, But I respect it. Parents should raise their children how they think is best. And I believe that smacking my kids (If I ever have them) is the best way to raise them.

I respect my father for what he did, And that carried on into school, Where I respected my teachers authority.

But it offends me greatly for it to be called child abuse. It is not child abuse.

 

[psychoslice]

I don't really understand the outrage at spanking kids, But I respect it. Parents should raise their children how they think is best. And I believe that smacking my kids (If I ever have them) is the best way to raise them.

I respect my father for what he did, And that carried on into school, Where I respected my teachers authority.

But it offends me greatly for it to be called child abuse. It is not child abuse.

I really have liked all that you have been saying throughout this thread, if I was ever born again I hope you would be my mummy.

 

[Alceste]

I don't really understand the outrage at spanking kids, But I respect it. Parents should raise their children how they think is best. And I believe that smacking my kids (If I ever have them) is the best way to raise them.

I respect my father for what he did, And that carried on into school, Where I respected my teachers authority.

But it offends me greatly for it to be called child abuse. It is not child abuse.

I'm not outraged that you want to smack children, or that you think children should be smacked. It's completely normal and predictable for people who were abused as children to perpetuate the cycle of abuse, whether it's smacking them with an open hand, with weapons or burning them with cigarettes.

What I think is that perhaps you should have a course of therapy to deal with your own childhood abuse before you have children of your own in order to ensure your own children have the best possible shot at happiness.

I also don't think people who were abused as children and perpetuate the cycle of abuse are bad people. My friend's mom, the one with the drawer full of wooden spoons, is one of the sweetest, kindest women I know, and I have great affection for her.

 

[Thana]

I'm not outraged that you want to smack children, or that you think children should be smacked. It's completely normal and predictable for people who were abused as children to perpetuate the cycle of abuse, whether it's smacking them with an open hand, with weapons or burning them with cigarettes.

What I think is that perhaps you should have a course of therapy to deal with your own childhood abuse before you have children of your own in order to ensure your own children have the best possible shot at happiness.

I also don't think people who were abused as children and perpetuate the cycle of abuse are bad people. My friend's mom, the one with the drawer full of wooden spoons, is one of the sweetest, kindest women I know, and I have great affection for her.

This made me laugh.

It boggles my mind at how self righteous some people can be.
Seriously, You deserve an award. I'm impressed.

 

[Bunyip]

I don't really understand the outrage at spanking kids, But I respect it. Parents should raise their children how they think is best. And I believe that smacking my kids (If I ever have them) is the best way to raise them.

I respect my father for what he did, And that carried on into school, Where I respected my teachers authority.

But it offends me greatly for it to be called child abuse. It is not child abuse.

Of course physical violence against children is abuse. Striking an adult is abuse, why would it be ok to strike a child, but not an adult?

When you have kids, you will find that violence is not the answer. You lead by example, if you set the example of obedience through violence you will ultimately reap what you have sown.

 

[psychoslice]

Of course physical violence against children is abuse. Striking an adult is abuse, why would it be ok to strike a child, but not an adult?

When you have kids, you will find that violence is not the answer. You lead by example, if you set the example of obedience through violence you will ultimately reap what you have sown.

It sounds great in theory doesn't it ?.

 

[Thana]

Of course physical violence against children is abuse. Striking an adult is abuse, why would it be ok to strike a child, but not an adult?

When you have kids, you will find that violence is not the answer. You lead by example, if you set the example of obedience through violence you will ultimately reap what you have sown.

I'm sorry, I just don't think it's right to treat a child like an adult. They're children, They need a firm hand.

I also don't think think it's 'bad' or 'wrong' to not smack your kids. I just think that disciplining them with a smack on the bottom is better than other methods.

The best and most prominent lessons we learn, Are lessons born of pain.

 

[Bunyip]

It sounds great in theory doesn't it ?.

If you mean raising kids without physical abuse, it works extremely well in practice also. You could look at the rates of violent crime in countries that outlaw physical abuse of children and see for yourself the difference.

Physical abuse is not beneficial.

 

[Bunyip]

The best and most prominent lessons we learn, Are lessons born of pain.

Wow!

You are talking about your own future children, and the greatest gift of learning you can think of is physical violence.

Wow!

 

[Thana]

Wow!

You are talking about your own future children, and the greatest gift of learning you can think of is physical violence.

Wow!

It's not violence.

I'm talking about pain as in, When you touch a hot stove, You learn that it hurts and you shouldn't do it. And you wont, Because you dont like the pain.

If my kid runs across the road, I'm going to smack them and tell them why I smacked them, Because I'd rather they learn from pain, Then leave them ignorant of the very serious consequences.

Telling your child they shouldn't do it because they could get hurt just isn't as effective from my perspective.

 

[Alceste]

It sounds great in theory doesn't it ?.

It sounds great as a hypothesis, and all our credible evidence affirms it.

 

[Bunyip]

It's not violence.

I'm talking about pain as in, When you touch a hot stove, You learn that it hurts and you shouldn't do it. And you wont, Because you dont like the pain.

If my kid runs across the road, I'm going to smack them and tell them why I smacked them, Because I'd rather they learn from pain, Then leave them ignorant of the very serious consequences.

Telling your child they shouldn't do it because they could get hurt just isn't as effective from my perspective.

Wow!

"I'd rather they learned from pain"

Just wow

Please don't ever reproduce.

 

[Thana]

Wow!

"I'd rather they learned from pain"

Just wow

Please don't ever reproduce.

That's really a cruel thing to say. I don't know why you think you have the right to say that. A lot of people smack their kids and I don't know why you think you're standing on a moral highground.

Yes, I'd rather smack my kid then let them think it's okay to run across a road. If you think that makes me bad, Then maybe it says more about you than me.

 

[Bunyip]

That's really a cruel thing to say. I don't know why you think you have the right to say that. A lot of people smack their kids and I don't know why you think you're standing on a moral highground.

Yes, I'd rather smack my kid then let them think it's okay to run across a road. If you think that makes me bad, Then maybe it says more about you than me.

Cruel? You said that you would rather your kids learned from pain, and that hitting them is the greatest gift of learning.

Why not talk to your future kids about road safety?

I'm sorry that you are offended, but if you honestly think that the best way to teach children road safety is to strike them, you need to rethink parenthood.

 

[Thana]

Cruel? You said that you would rather your kids learned from pain, and that hitting them is the greatest gift of learning.

Why not talk to your future kids about road safety?

Because I remember what it was like being a kid.
It's easy to talk about consequences, But imaginary consequences are not going to stop curious children.

I think it is an effective way to teach. Not a gift or any such thing, You're making up words that I never said.

We learn from experience. It's that simple. It's all well and good to talk about it, But I personally don't think that approach is enough.

 

[Bunyip]

Because I remember what it was like being a kid.
It's easy to talk about consequences, But imaginary consequences are not going to stop curious children.

I think it is an effective way to teach. Not a gift or any such thing, You're making up words that I never said.

We learn from experience. It's that simple. It's all well and good to talk about it, But I personally don't think that approach is enough.

You said that the best and most prominent lessons we
learn are born of pain.

Trust me on this, I am a father. You don't need to strike kids to teach them things. There can be far more effective consequences than violent physical assault.

Violent physical assault on your children is counter-productive. Kids are incredibly smart and perceptive, they learn how to behave from you - so they will learn that violence is the answer from you.

Thereis nothing imaginary about non-violent consequences. If you raise your kids right, they will treasure your respect, and even a loss of that respect can be a devastating consequence to them. You have more weapons in your arsenal as a parent than physical violence. torture and pain.

Don't strike your kids, don't deliberately inflict pain upon them. There are far, far better ways to lead them into adulthood.