Spanking Kids in Kansas

[psychoslice]

But your not talking about a "simple" spanking are you?




And who gets to decide what's "simple" anyways? And when does one become too old to get hit? How is that determined?

And what's the difference between an adult hitting a child with an object and a husband hitting a wife with his hand, if they both say it's to teach them that there's consequences?

Get over your silly idea of wife bashing, this is nothing to do with that, talk about going overboard.

 

[dust1n]

Have you ever heard of the word, joking?.

Oh, was this a joke?

Don't be silly, it was done in my days and most kids turned out really good, the trouble with the generation today is that their too weak to take punishment., they have to blame everyone else except themselves.

Or does a blanket statement about an entire generation not comment on other beds?

 

[psychoslice]

My parents never hit me. Two days ago I went out of my way to pay back a company a sum that they didnt even care about, just because I pay my debts. I can safely say that not being hit hasnt harmed me the slightest.

EDIT:

Note that I did give my parents reason to hit me, if they had believed in that. They didnt. Instead they found other ways, and those ways worked.

Yes that maybe so, but you don't represent the world.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes that maybe so, but you don't represent the world.

Neither does your family. Your family obviously had very deep issues and spanking would not have solved it. Your brother and your parents would not still be alive if your parents had just decided to spank him. I know you'd like an easy answer for what happened to your relatives, but there isn't one.

 

[psychoslice]

Neither does your family. Your family obviously had very deep issues and spanking would not have solved it. Your brother and your parents would not still be alive if your parents had just decided to spank him. I know you'd like an easy answer for what happened to your relatives, but there isn't one.

That maybe so, but it will never change my mind, you believe what you believe, I will not take that way from you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That maybe so, but it will never change my mind, you believe what you believe, I will not take that way from you.

If you wish to be irrational and support nonsense due to past traumas in your life, that's your choice, but it's not healthy and you need to let it go.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I worry for the kids of parents who feel that hitting is a good form of discipline. It is totally unnecessary. Words are by far more effective if emulating the behaviours you'd like to see hadn't worked

Edit: If you're at the point where you're hitting others, you're already failing as a parent

Agreed. To me, a parent that is always hitting their child is a parent that has lost control of themselves.

 

[Badran]

That maybe so, but it will never change my mind, you believe what you believe, I will not take that way from you.

If a subject is that deeply emotional it might be best to not post about it.

Or perhaps not post much, since you're not rationally responding to anything anyone is saying, or even trying.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The reason I do think punishment is good for kid is because of my own experience. My brother who was older than me never got punished as a kid, he was the one who was spoiled. Myself and my sister and younger brother were mostly punish, I was canned at school, and I did deserve it, and I am today glade I was canned, I feel that I became a better person for it.

My older brother as he grew older was always in trouble with the police, and still my parents never disciplined him. By the time he was 14 he was in a boys home which he escaped, but was returned. When he got out of the boys home he got into trouble again, this time for rape, he was only 16 then.

He wanted a car so he told mum and dad that he would leave home if they didn't buy him one, which they did. Being to young to drive he got his friend to drive, on a Saturday afternoon the police came to our house to tell us the my brother was killed in an accident caused by their own selves, which was racing in the back streets where the car rolled and killing my brother.

This is why I feel the way I do about punishing kids who need it. Watching my parents go through life with guilt from buying him that car really stuffed me up. They became alcoholics and died young, I believe with a broken heart.

I find it strange that you equate punishment and discipline with physical abuse.
I was punished many times as a child, and nobody ever laid a hand on me.

With everything we've learned about the human condition and classical psychology, we now know that hitting children is probably the most ineffective and harmful method of punishment in existence. I don't care if you accept evidence or not, try some simple common sense.

 

[psychoslice]

If you wish to be irrational and support nonsense due to past traumas in your life, that's your choice, but it's not healthy and you need to let it go.

You do like to think your a great psychoanalyst don't you ?.

 

[Alceste]

You have a habit of not listerning to what I say, you keep turning everything around to try to make me look evil, but the truth is you are making yourself look evil, you are full of anger, if you had a gun you probobly shot me lol.

Damn right I'll full of anger. You are saying children need to be smacked around. Nobody in their right mind tolerates that kind of nonsense.

I'm not going to shoot you though, since out of the two of us, I'm not the one who believes in violence as a tool for manipulating unacceptable behavior. I'm just going to tell you only idiots who should not be allowed to breed think that violence against children is EVER necessary or acceptable and hope it sinks in before you are ever left alone with a child.

 

[psychoslice]

If a subject is that deeply emotional it might be best to not post about it.

Or perhaps not post much, since you're not rationally responding to anything anyone is saying, or even trying.

I am only posting because people are asking me questions, stop the questioning and I'll stop posting.

 

[psychoslice]

If a subject is that deeply emotional it might be best to not post about it.

Or perhaps not post much, since you're not rationally responding to anything anyone is saying, or even trying.

Also I have my right to believe what I do, just as others here have their right, I respect their right as I except them to respect mine, if they believe it or not.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You do like to think your a great psychoanalyst don't you ?.

That's just basic. You are the one who said that what happened with your brother and your parents is making you think like this. You really need to let it go. Raging at children now and believing that they deserve to be beaten isn't going to bring your brother and parents back.

 

[psychoslice]

Damn right I'll full of anger. You are saying children need to be smacked around. Nobody in their right mind tolerates that kind of nonsense.

I'm not going to shoot you though, since out of the two of us, I'm not the one who believes in violence as a tool for manipulating unacceptable behavior. I'm just going to tell you only idiots who should not be allowed to breed think that violence against children is EVER necessary or acceptable and hope it sinks in before you are every left alone with a child.

But you have been the most aggressive one in this conversation.

 

[Alceste]

Also I have my right to believe what I do, just as others here have their right, I respect their right as I except them to respect mine, if they believe it or not.

You have a right to believe adults should smack children around. Lots of people believe all kinds of anti-scientific nonsense. You do not have a right to smack children around, though, and I hope you reconsider your views before you find yourself in the awkward position of being reported to child services.

 

[psychoslice]

That's just basic. You are the one who said that what happened with your brother and your parents is making you think like this. You really need to let it go. Raging at children now and believing that they deserve to be beaten isn't going to bring your brother and parents back.

I don't want my stupid brother back, he's already done enough damage.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Also I have my right to believe what I do, just as others here have their right, I respect their right as I except them to respect mine, if they believe it or not.

When you're supporting violence against helpless beings, you're going well beyond the boundaries of individual rights.

 

[psychoslice]

You have a right to believe adults should smack children around. Lots of people believe all kinds of anti-scientific nonsense. You do not have a right to smack children around, though, and I hope you reconsider your views before you find yourself in the awkward position of being reported to child services.

Don't try threating me with your words, I have already said what I need, if you don't like it then get over it.

 

[Alceste]

But you have been the most aggressive one in this conversation.

Lol, that's funny. I'm not the one saying we should be hitting kids with canes, and that the whole reason for all the problems on earth is that we're not being violent enough to tiny, fragile little helpless people who will do absolutely anything you want in exchange for an ice cream cone.