Spanking Kids in Kansas

[SkepticThinker]

Damn right I'll full of anger. You are saying children need to be smacked around. Nobody in their right mind tolerates that kind of nonsense.

I'm not going to shoot you though, since out of the two of us, I'm not the one who believes in violence as a tool for manipulating unacceptable behavior. I'm just going to tell you only idiots who should not be allowed to breed think that violence against children is EVER necessary or acceptable and hope it sinks in before you are ever left alone with a child.

This^^^^

(Frubals are all used up)

 

[psychoslice]

When you're supporting violence against helpless beings, you're going well beyond the boundaries of individual rights.

I feel people like you are the ones who supports violence, by bringing kids into the world that are not disciplined which ends up stuffing the world up in crime and all sorts of maner, see, I see you as being violent.

 

[Alceste]

Don't try threating me with your words, I have already said what I need, if you don't like it then get over it.

It's not a threat. I'm telling you how it is. In this day and age, if you hit your kids and leave a mark, somebody is eventually going to report you to child services. That actually happened to a woman I used to work with. She literally lost custody of her kids because they showed signs of being beaten. She says it wasn't even her doing the beating. She thought maybe the day care staff had been doing it. Made no difference though. Child services took the kids and she spent a good chunk of every single day trying to get them back, or at least have unsupervised visits.

 

[psychoslice]

Lol, that's funny. I'm not the one saying we should be hitting kids with canes, and that the whole reason for all the problems on earth is that we're not being violent enough to tiny, fragile little helpless people who will do absolutely anything you want in exchange for an ice cream cone.

Yes they are fragile little helpless people until they grow up, then they become what you have produced.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I feel people like you are the ones who supports violence, by bringing kids into the world that are not disciplined which ends up stuffing the world up in crime and all sorts of maner, see, I see you as being violent.

What?

I have to ask, why do you equate discipline with physical violence?

Are you not aware that a child can be disciplined without the use of violence?

 

[psychoslice]

It's not a threat. I'm telling you how it is. In this day and age, if you hit your kids and leave a mark, somebody is eventually going to report you to child services. That actually happened to a woman I used to work with. She literally lost custody of her kids because they showed signs of being beaten. She says it wasn't even her doing the beating. She thought maybe the day care staff had been doing it. Made no difference though. Child services took the kids and she spent a good chunk of every single day trying to get them back, or at least have unsupervised visits.

You can't seem to get it in your head, I'm not saying to beat the kid, a little slap on the bottom is all that is needed, anything other than that is violence, NOW DO YOU UUNDERSTAND !!!

 

[Sees]

Ok everybody with one or more children raise their hands

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I feel people like you are the ones who supports violence, by bringing kids into the world that are not disciplined which ends up stuffing the world up in crime and all sorts of maner, see, I see you as being violent.

I don't have kids. Stop conflating beatings with discipline. You need to learn how to separate the two.

Personally, I'm not one for discipline as such. I believe in teaching children and dialoguing with them on their level. I love children and admire their imagination, idealism and zeal for life. The last thing I want to do is destroy that, as it's been destroyed in most of the adults in the world. Problem children are the result of abuse and neglect. They tend to come from broken homes and parents/guardians aren't giving them the love and nurturing they need. It's like with your brother and your parents. Something went wrong there in his childhood and your parents did nothing to help the situation. The truth is that your parents failed at parenting. Hey, my dad is a complete failure as a parent (he also beat me). Some people just aren't skilled for the responsibility of parenting. Maybe if your parents had tried to intervene in your brother's bad behavior and have honest discussions with him over it, things might've been different. It makes a huge, huge difference when people actually show interest and care for their child's life. Too many parents are distant from their children and not very involved with their lives.

 

[Alceste]

I feel people like you are the ones who supports violence, by bringing kids into the world that are not disciplined which ends up stuffing the world up in crime and all sorts of maner, see, I see you as being violent.

Nice try. Almost every child that has ever been left in my care would do almost anything I asked in exchange for a reward. Any behavior problems were neatly handled by ensuring they were well fed, well rested, and well exercised. Kids are such simple creatures. Their needs are so basic. Discipline (IOW, attempting to please authority figures) comes naturally to them. If they are content and they like you, they will move mountains to impress you, and be devastated if you are not impressed.

The exception to that general rule is toddlers, who are discovering they are autonomous beings for the first time (this is traumatic for them) and testing the boundaries of their autonomy. If you do a good job parenting from birth to three, you've got very little to worry about from that point forward. If you intentionally inflict pain and fear during this time, they're probably gonna turn out funny in the end.

 

[psychoslice]

The witch hunt finishes here, you have been violent to my opinion which I have shared here, I will now leave this thread so you all can pick on someone else, time will tell who is right or wrong, thank you.

 

[Alceste]

You can't seem to get it in your head, I'm not saying to beat the kid, a little slap on the bottom is all that is needed, anything other than that is violence, NOW DO YOU UUNDERSTAND !!!

You claimed they should be caned, and claimed that caning did you no harm. We all can see that caning did you harm, though. You've grown up into a person who believes in violence against children and is so committed to that view that you're willing to reject science, like a creationist. I can't imagine a less desirable outcome. That's why I don't hit kids.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The witch hunt finishes here, you have been violent to my opinion which I have shared here, I will now leave this thread so you all can pick on someone else, time will tell who is right or wrong, thank you.

We already know who is wrong. The case is closed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ok everybody with one or more children raise their hands

I have a niece and nephew that I raised for the first 3 years of their lives.

 

[SkepticThinker]

We already know who is wrong. The case is closed.

And time has already told us what is right and wrong.

 

[Alceste]

Ok everybody with one or more children raise their hands

No kids of my own, and no plans to make more people since there are more than enough already. Others tend to leave their kids in my care, though. I've been looking after kids since I was 11. Started out as a babysitter, eventually became a teacher. I plan to foster or adopt the children of idiots eventually, when my financial circumstances are stable enough to provide for them.

 

[Sees]

I have noticed for a long time people who don't have kids of their own tend to be 110% against "spanking"...I think it is an interesting subject.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I have noticed for a long time people who don't have kids of their own tend to be 110% against "spanking"...I think it is an interesting subject.

Got four kids and have taught for a long time. I don't believe in it.

Actually, what changed the most for me in the change between being a non-parent to being a parent was the length of time I planned on breastfeeding.

 

[Sees]

Got four kids and have taught for a long time. I don't believe in it.

Actually, what changed the most for me in the change between being a non-parent to being a parent was the length of time I planned on breastfeeding.

Breastfeeding is interesting too

My wife's 3 sisters all used formula pretty much right away

 

[Alceste]

I have noticed for a long time people who don't have kids of their own tend to be 110% against "spanking"...I think it is an interesting subject.

No you haven't. Lots of people without kids think they should be smacked around. Psychoslice doesn't have kids (a confident guess), and he's all for it. Father Heathen also defends corporal punishment regularly, and had no kids or plans to have kids. Mystic has a busload of kids, and is entirely against it. My mother and grandmother are both against it, having been raised to believe in it and realized on their own that corporal punishment is child abuse, and terrible advice.

If you think the line between "people who want to hit kids" and "people who don't believe in hitting kids" is as simple as having or not having them, you have not been paying attention at all.

You're also disregarding the fact that a good chunk of us who are totally intolerant of violence toward children are TEACHERS. We handle dozens of kids at a time without the need for violence. IME, most teachers are much, much better with kids than most parents. Parents should be asking us for advice, not telling us how to handle kids.

 

[Sees]

Personally I am pro "spanking" for certain situations done in certain ways. It's hard to recommend because there are so many dumb people who do it often and use a lazy-brained, slave-driver method.