Spending money to save at risk people might not be profitable!

[Revoltingest]

If you believe that the billionaire corporate offices are in legitimate danger than i can't help you.

You're evading the issue with snark.

Your fat cats are fine. The working class isn't. Letting the corporate fat cats extort people with cutbacks unless they get more money than they need won't help them.
Nor will establishing anemic loans instead of union grants.

It seems that for you it's naught but class warfare, ie, let
those you dislike suffer, no matter the consequences to others.

I edited that post just for you...
"I say that if anyone is threatened with eviction because they
can't make the payments, graphic artists should be forced to
provide them with the money. Then the creditor won't have
to bear the full burden. Everyone wins."

One might say that those fat cat graphic artists who sit in
their McMansions producing nothing useful (no food, no
cars, no housing) should turn over their ill gotten gains,
& stop profiteering during this plague.
Of course, I would say no such thing....but some might.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You're evading the issue with snark.

It seems that for you it's naught but class warfare, ie, let
those you dislike suffer, no matter the consequences to others.

I edited that post just for you...
"I say that if anyone is threatened with eviction because they
can't make the payments, graphic artists should be forced to
provide them with the money. Then the creditor won't have
to bear the full burden. Everyone wins."

One might say that those fat cat graphic artists who sit in
their McMansions producing nothing useful (no food, no
cars, no housing) should turn over their ill gotten gains,
& stop profiteering during this plague.
Of course, I would say no such thing....but some might.

Psst, just thought you should know that trickle down economics has absolutely never worked and creating a frame to protect corporate profit hoarding is at the expense of the American people.

May I suggest removing your face from that boot you're licking and read a book instead? Because 30 million corporate bailouts aren't helping the producers, just those who benefit from the producer's labor with no labor of their own.

I dunno, maybe they could get a job that actually has skilled labor instead of something so unskilled you can inherit it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Psst, just thought you should know that trickle down economics has absolutely never worked and creating a frame to protect corporate profit hoarding is at the expense of the American people.

I'm neither defending nor advocating "trickle down".
Instead, I ask you to face what happens if companies shut down.
What do you propose that their former workers do?
What happens to people whose 401Ks & IRAs had their stock?

Btw, corporations who "hoard" profit must pay tax on that.
There are even penalties for not disbursing it to shareholders
without it being allocated for a project.

May I suggest removing your face from that boot you're licking and read a book instead?

May I remind you that we have rules here against such abusive language.
But even if your snark is within the rules, I never said anything about your
licking Stalin's or Marx's boots, so you owe me the same courtesy.

Because 30 million corporate bailouts aren't helping the producers, just those who benefit from the producer's labor with no labor of their own.

I dunno, maybe they could get a job that actually has skilled labor instead of something so unskilled you can inherit it.

You didn't answer either of my questions.
Too hard?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

corporations who "hoard" profit must pay tax on that.

Haaaaa. How much corporate taxes did Amazon pay again? And how many years did they go without paying income taxes? And what was their share of the tax burden under today's brackets opposed to just 50 years ago? And how many people died due to hazardous conditions of their warehouses?

May I remind you that we have rules here against such abusive language.

I know I'm much more direct than your passive aggressive schlock, but I know the rules. You don't need or deserve kiddy gloves. But you know what? I really don't know why I keep you on my screen.

Why keep around bad tenets rent free, right? I think we're done for a while.

 

[Revoltingest]

Haaaaa. How much corporate taxes did Amazon pay again? And how many years did they go without paying income taxes? And what was their share of the tax burden under today's brackets opposed to just 50 years ago? And how many people died due to hazardous conditions of their warehouses?

You haven't yet answered my questions,
yet you hand me a Gish Gallop of your own?

I know I'm much more direct than your passive aggressive schlock, but I know the rules. You don't need or deserve kiddy gloves. But you know what? I really don't know why I keep you on my screen.

My circumspection is necessary in order to comply with the rules.
About your being "direct"...that must be what Trump thinks to
himself to justify insulting people. You should be ashamed.

I think we're done for a while.

You never even started to converse....just posting rhetoric & insults at me.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Many of you on the Right seem hellbound to keep your head in the sand and ignore how dangerous an overloaded medical system is. That happens and it wont just be covid victims dying.There wont be enough for covid patients, let alone them and everybody else.
Have also ignored the news in Italy?

I shared this once already but it just so well characterizes the dichotomy right now.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Want to know something funny?

There were several drivers that walked off the job claiming they didn't want to catch the virus leaving me as the only class A driver at the warehouse. I'm designated as a necessary employee as I pick up loads for food stores.

I'm not walking off the job just because I'm concerned about catching the virus, I'm thinking of other people too, and I'm the sickest of the entire lot as I am diabetic with coronary artery disease with one heart attack under my belt.

It just goes to show you what risk takers do for this nation and how they keep things moving proper and minimizing losses.

Even if an overloaded medical system managed to somehow stop deaths at 2%...
You're talking about death panals, let's be clear.

Well there's one thing that's pretty clear.

It's the reality that it's fallacious to think everybody can save everybody.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well there's one thing that's pretty clear.
It's the reality that it's fallacious to think everybody can save everybody.

Aye, it's essential to have a governing body
setting standards for allocating limited resources.
Doesn't matter what it's called.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Well there's one thing that's pretty clear.

It's the reality that it's fallacious to think everybody can save everybody.

That much is evident. But I'll take the guidance from health officials over corporate oligarchs any day on how best to save the most people in a medical disaster.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

EVERY medical system in EVERY country will be overloaded.

The severity depends on us. Distancing will significantly reduce the severity. That is a fact.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's the reality that it's fallacious to think everybody can save everybody.

No. But its very possible to save more of them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I know.



Who do you mean by "many"..? Are you including me in there..?

No. I mean those like Trump and others who seem to forget that despite low risks for most there are still many, many getting very sick from it. We can spread this out and save lives, or pretend there are no consequences and have a disaster. Too many have us all walking into a disaster.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No. But its very possible to save more of them.

I think it's going to get to a point where the spread will be so bad that everyone is going to eventually get it. I think once you're past a certain age the doctors are just going to have to say sorry but your time on this Earth might be up, maybe and with the greatest hope that you'll survive it.

I hear they're doing exactly that in Italy right now and I doubt these 'death panels' are composed of heartless monsters but rather people with some very hard difficult choices they have to make.

People have to start growing up and face the reality that we're not invincible, and sometimes you just have to face things like the time for death and dying. It's not an if. You, me, and every single living thing on this planet will die at some point.

I'm not hollow with these words either. If I catch it I'm going to face my own words just like I faced it the last time I danced with death in February 2017.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

It's clear that it does not matter to some if 50,000 or 100,000 or any number die as long as the sacred dollar is worshiped and put above people.

That's very unfortunate. My goal is the same as yours: to minimize deaths.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think it's going to get to a point where the spread will be so bad that everyone is going to eventually get it. I think once you're past a certain age the doctors are just going to have to say sorry but your time on this Earth might be up, maybe and with the greatest hope that you'll survive it.

I hear they're doing exactly that in Italy right now and I doubt these 'death panels' are composed of heartless monsters but rather people with some very hard difficult choices they have to make.

People have to start growing up and face the reality that we're not invincible, and sometimes you just have to face things like the time for death and dying. It's not an if. You, me, and every single living thing on this planet will die at some point.

I'm not hollow with these words either. If I catch it I'm going to face my own words just like I faced it the last time I danced with death in February 2017.

They'll get to make them less often the better we can spread this out. That's what Italy did not do.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The severity depends on us. Distancing will significantly reduce the severity. That is a fact.

Say it, say it again, and when you're done, say it again! Government can't do as much for as in this regard as we can do for ourselves, if we just keep our social distance for a short while, and keep our hands clean and away from our faces.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think it's going to get to a point where the spread will be so bad that everyone is going to eventually get it. I think once you're past a certain age the doctors are just going to have to say sorry but your time on this Earth might be up, maybe and with the greatest hope that you'll survive it.

I hear they're doing exactly that in Italy right now and I doubt these 'death panels' are composed of heartless monsters but rather people with some very hard difficult choices they have to make.

People have to start growing up and face the reality that we're not invincible, and sometimes you just have to face things like the time for death and dying. It's not an if. You, me, and every single living thing on this planet will die at some point.

I'm not hollow with these words either. If I catch it I'm going to face my own words just like I faced it the last time I danced with death in February 2017.

But that is so fatalistic -- you are entirely ignoring the fact that there is still something that we can ALL DO to make a bad situation at least a little better. And that is: stop being selfish, keep your distance from others, give up some of your minor and unimportant pleasures -- all in the name of flattening the curve.

Yes, we are all going to die eventually...but we can still stave off some of those horrible situations that the Italians are now (and others may soon be) facing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Say it, say it again, and when you're done, say it again! Government can't do as much for as in this regard as we can do for ourselves, if we just keep our social distance for a short while, and keep our hands clean and away from our faces.

I find it interesting thise who advocate personal accountability and responsibility are advocating the exact opposite of that.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

We should perhaps consider removing these people of weakened or aged immune systems from blocking the track of economic progress; perhaps, we agree these people of weakened or aged immune systems should only themselves be safely self quarantined in isolation rather than lie in the way of everybody else's livelihood.

 

[Sunstone]

The notion that socialism necessarily means the government will own everything is a curious idea. Perhaps only an American could be so ignorant as to believe it.