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Spirit of Jesus and Melchizedek

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
if regeneration, or palingenesis, is true then;

was the Spirit of Jesus and Melchizedek one and the same?

john 8:56-59

was the Spirit of Jesus and Adam the same? was jesus the last avatar and adam the first?

1 corinthians 15:45
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
if regeneration, or palingenesis, is true then;

was the Spirit of Jesus and Melchizedek one and the same?

john 8:56-59

was the Spirit of Jesus and Adam the same? was jesus the last avatar and adam the first?

1 corinthians 15:45

But since palingenesis isn't true then the Spirit of Jesus and the spirit of Melchizedek are not the same and the Spirit of Jesus and the spirit of Adam are not the same.

The spirit of the second Adam wouldn't be second... but simply the first regenerated.

:)
 

Onoma

Active Member
Personally, I feel like when one starts to discuss characters like Melchizedek, they should actually acknowledge the real history of priest-kings in Mesopotamia ( Along with their traditions ) , before they start making claims about things like palingenesis
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
But since palingenesis isn't true then the Spirit of Jesus and the spirit of Melchizedek are not the same and the Spirit of Jesus and the spirit of Adam are not the same.

The spirit of the second Adam wouldn't be second... but simply the first regenerated.

:)


the word regeneration(palingenesis) is used twice in the bible. it refers to the regeneration of a body, like the earth, or eathly body. its used in the new testament


matthew 19:28

and

titus 3:5
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Yes... but those don't deal with the application you gave.
palingenesis = reincarnation


one term is ancient the other fairly new.


resurrection has to do with the spiritual, not the physical body
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
palingenesis = reincarnation


one term is ancient the other fairly new.


resurrection has to do with the spiritual, not the physical body


28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Notice that it isn't "different" spirits or "different' people but the same people. It could also apply to the regeneration of the bodies in that they will have new bodies.

4 But—

When God our Savior revealed his kindness and love, 5 he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit.

This regeneration has to do with our initial salvation where God regenerated our spirits. Same person though.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Notice that it isn't "different" spirits or "different' people but the same people. It could also apply to the regeneration of the bodies in that they will have new bodies.

4 But—

When God our Savior revealed his kindness and love, 5 he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit.

This regeneration has to do with our initial salvation where God regenerated our spirits. Same person though.
people don't go to heaven. spirits go to heaven. the body returns to the earth.

the passage says the son of man. it doesn't say the sons of God for a reason.


these are those who have established what was in heaven on earth as the prayer implies. those who haven't will have to reincarnate. those will have to be washed again and again, or tried.
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
people don't go to heaven. spirits go to heaven. the body returns to the earth.

the passage says the son of man. it doesn't say the sons of God for a reason.


these are those who have established what was in heaven on earth as the prayer implies. those who haven't will have to reincarnate. those will have to be washed again and again, or tried.


Hmmm... are you saying our body is "our person" but our spirit is not "our person"?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Hmmm... are you saying our body is "our person" but our spirit is not "our person"?
the personality is attached to a form. the personality is temporal and created during the earthly experience. you come into this form as a mind/spirit inhabiting a body. you're working backwards like an atheist you believe spirit is made by the body.


it isn't and that is what most materialists don't understand.


the name implies an indefinite I and not a definite i.


you're no more ken at the age 3, 5, 11, 13 but you are still I. the form changes the consciousness only evolves or regresses.


a soul is a person who has an earthly body and an indwelling spirit


a spirit doesn't necessarily inhabit an earthly body.
 
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