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[DreadFish]

I never said anything about men being inherently sexist so...

Men in general are sexist in some way. Sure people change but men in general are sexist in some way.

Thats a pretty straightforward and concise statement; pretty easy to take it to mean that men are basically (so pretty much inherently) sexist. It sounds like you should be more descriptive, it is hard to communicate with text only, so careful choice of words is very important in a forum discussion

 

[DreadFish]

If you are talking about male gender roles yes they are restricting too and I don't agree with them. But I believe sexism targets women.

Sexism targets anybody but the system supports males the most.

You come across to me as offended by, and resentful towards men and the patriarchal system because of the subjugation towards women that the system promotes. The problem to me is that you sound more resentful and biased than objective and factual in your arguments.

 

[Poeticus]

You come across to me as offended by, and resentful towards men and the patriarchal system because of the subjugation towards women that the system promotes. The problem to me is that you sound more resentful and biased than objective and factual in your arguments.

Dworkin has that affect on her followers.

EDIT: This is just a pillow fight statement, not to be taken seriously.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Thats a pretty straightforward and concise statement; pretty easy to take it to mean that men are basically (so pretty much inherently) sexist. It sounds like you should be more descriptive, it is hard to communicate with text only, so careful choice of words is very important in a forum discussion

Sorry but I'm not reading men are inherently sexist in what I said.. Reading more careful is important in a forum discussion too.

 

[DreadFish]

Sorry but I'm not reading men are inherently sexist in what I said.. Reading more careful is important in a forum discussion too.

Ok, maybe I misread. What did you mean by:

Men in general are sexist in some way. Sure people change but men in general are sexist in some way.

?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Sexism targets anybody but the system supports males the most.

You come across to me as offended by, and resentful towards men and the patriarchal system because of the subjugation towards women that the system promotes. The problem to me is that you sound more resentful and biased than objective and factual in your arguments.

Sexism as a system targets women.

I sound more resentful because I believe because of patriarchy men in general are sexist is some way? Ok if you say so.

 

[DreadFish]

I sound more resentful because I believe because of patriarchy men in general are sexist is some way? Ok if you say so.

Huh?.

Also, please answer post #105

 

[dust1n]

It's our lot in life.
I'm a "dirty old man" if I lust after young'ns.
But a randy gal my age is a "cougar".
Life is unfair! Someone should make it fair!

Yeah, but everyone knows as a general rule that women like men older then them.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Ok, maybe I misread. What did you mean by:



?

I mean because of patriarchy men in general are sexist in some way

 

[philbo]

It's our lot in life.
I'm a "dirty old man" if I lust after young'ns.
But a randy gal my age is a "cougar".
Life is unfair! Someone should make it fair!

I'm looking forward to being able to get my mid-life crisis over so I can get on with being a dirty old man..

(I think that's the longest title of any song I've written so far)

 

[DreadFish]

I mean because of patriarchy men in general are sexist in some way

So, you are saying that the various patriarchal systems make men sexist through influencing their perceptions towards women? Kind of like how culture and media influence they way people think and do things?

Is this to say that any negative views towards women are entirely the responsibility of patriarchy, not because some people have their own minds and experiences that influence their thoughts?

Does your statement apply to every man, period?

Sexism as a system targets women.

Lastly, please describe how sexism is an entirely one way street which only goes against women. Does this mean that women are incapable of sexism towards men? You said sexism "as a system". Does the system of sexism, which you speak of, differ from the general "ism" of discriminating people based on sex? By definition, sexism is not limited to which sex is it directed.

And I didn't understand what you meant by:

I sound more resentful because I believe because of patriarchy men in general are sexist is some way? Ok if you say so.

 

[Koldo]

If you are talking about male gender roles yes they are restricting too and I don't agree with them. But I believe sexism targets women.

Do you believe this doesn't happen with men?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

So, you are saying that the various patriarchal systems make men sexist through influencing their perceptions towards women? Kind of like how culture and media influence they way people think and do things?

Yep exactly

Is this to say that any negative views towards women are entirely the responsibility of patriarchy, not because some people have their own minds and experiences that influence their thoughts?

Yep this could be the case sometimes, but their views of women are still supported by the culture.

Does your statement apply to every man, period?

No it does not necessarily apply to every single man at every single period of his life, I said in general, in general is not absolute.

Lastly, please describe how sexism is an entirely one way street which only goes against women.

Gender roles restrict men as well but they also exist to make men distinct from women so women are targeted under a sexist system.

Does this mean that women are incapable of sexism towards men? You said sexism "as a system". Does the system of sexism, which you speak of, differ from the general "ism" of discriminating people based on sex? By definition, sexism is not limited to which sex is it directed.

sexism as a system differs in the way people commonly use the word "sexism" to apply to individual prejudices, individual prejudices may be inevitable, but that's not the kind of sexism I am talking about.

And I didn't understand what you meant by:[/QUOTE]

I don't believe I am resentful of men because I believe they are sexist in general to varying degrees.

 

[DreadFish]

Yep exactly

Yep this could be the case sometimes, but their views of women are still supported by the culture.


No it does not necessarily apply to every single man at every single period of his life, I said in general, in general is not absolute.


Gender roles restrict men as well but they also exist to make men distinct from women so women are targeted under a sexist system.


sexism as a system differs in the way people commonly use the word "sexism" to apply to individual prejudices, individual prejudices may be inevitable, but that's not the kind of sexism I am talking about.

And I didn't understand what you meant by:

I don't believe I am resentful of men because I believe they are sexist in general to varying degrees.[/quote]

I dont have time to respond right now but, I will get back to you on this.

 

[ryobi]

I'm coming with any statistical evidence, I believe much of the world is a patriarchy and sexism is directed towards women, that means we are conditioned.

As much as someone can argue that the western world is a patriarchy, someone could also argue the western world is a matriarchy. For example men in the United States spend 63% more time in prison than women when they are arrested for the same crime. How else can you explain this discrepancy other than gender bias that's a result of matriarchy?

But I agree, many countries that are not in the West seem to be patriarchies, but I don't live in those countries and I don't think I should tell people how they should act in countries that aren't my own .

 

[DreadFish]

Yep this could be the case sometimes, but their views of women are still supported by the culture.

Ok, I can agree that culture spreads discrimination towards women. I can agree that many men fall to that culturally spread bias and hold views toward women based on the suggestions they are regularly exposed to via cultural propaganda.

No it does not necessarily apply to every single man at every single period of his life, I said in general, in general is not absolute.

I guess Im mainly having problems with the generalization. I find that I get defensive about these things because im not like other "men", so when I hear "men are like this", I get offended because im not men so, while the generalization is made to apply to me, I feel it doesn't. I guess it's just a personal problem. I feel like im being accused of actions, simply by association, that other men are accountable for.

Gender roles restrict men as well but they also exist to make men distinct from women so women are targeted under a sexist system.

Yeah, I would say that, because men are the physically stronger of the species, they have exerted that for their authority and held it over women. Perhaps its a manifestation of natural selection along with human ignorance and selfishness.

sexism as a system differs in the way people commonly use the word "sexism" to apply to individual prejudices, individual prejudices may be inevitable, but that's not the kind of sexism I am talking about.

So, when you refer to sexism as a system, you are basically talking about a broadly held standard in many cultures that puts women on a lower keel than men?

I don't believe I am resentful of men because I believe they are sexist in general to varying degrees.

Ok.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I guess Im mainly having problems with the generalization. I find that I get defensive about these things because im not like other "men", so when I hear "men are like this", I get offended because im not men so, while the generalization is made to apply to me, I feel it doesn't. I guess it's just a personal problem. I feel like im being accused of actions, simply by association, that other men are accountable for.

I wasn't accusing anyone of any specific actions that all men are accountable for.
There are views I have had of my own gender that I am not proud of, I think feminism taught me how to have compassion for myself and other women.

So, when you refer to sexism as a system, you are basically talking about a broadly held standard in many cultures that puts women on a lower keel than men?

Yeah

 

[dgirl1986]

I wasn't making a case for man vs woman, I was making a case for one is systematic and one isn't, how does it really effect a mans life that some individual women thinks he is a jerk really?
Cry me a river

I fail to see your point. Just because it happens for one does not mean it does not happen for the other. It also seems to justify discrimination either way.

What you are saying is that quantity trumps quality.

That if it happens to more women than men, then the men should suck it up because the women's suffering is more significant ?

Is that really humanist ? Or reasonable ?

I don't think so.

When men are victimised by sexist women, they may be in a statistical minority, but does that mean that the principle is irrelevant ? Does that mean that the behavior is not the same ?

Are you telling me that sexist women should never be called to account because they are a minority ?

For real ?

This.

 

[ryobi]

I don't think misogyny or misandry by themselves are comparable to child rape.

IDK when I was a child I had a female teacher who hated males. The better looking you where, the more she bullied you. There's no doubt in my mind the psychological damage she caused was equivelent to a pedophile.She was like the old woman in the Dicken's novel Great Expectations who psychologically tortured the boy in the story.

When I read posts of people who obviously hate the other gender, it makes me shudder.

 

[Aquitaine]

Sorry but I'm not reading men are inherently sexist in what I said.. Reading more careful is important in a forum discussion too.

Sorry, but you totally were.

Men in general are sexist in some way. Sure people change but men in general are sexist in some way.

You made a blatant generalization that men deep-down are sexist, without making any references to patriarchy.

I mean because of patriarchy men in general are sexist in some way

You said even if they change they are still sexist deep-down - implying that even without patriarchy, men in general are sexist.

I'm sorry but I'm calling you out on this one. Trying to back-peddle by mentioning patriarchy as a sexist system doesn't change the fact that you expressed a sexist generalization about men. Which is hilarious, given the irony.