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Stereotypes

Heyo

Veteran Member
Stereotypes, tropes, clichés, commonplaces, we all have some of them in our minds.
I use them jokingly, like I just today commented that women are illogical and French people like to drink wine.
I hope, I didn't step on anyone's toes with these comments, as some people are (over) sensitive.
(Some are so sensitive that they object to stereotypes I didn't even hint at.)

How do you feel about stereotypes?
Are they OK to use as jokes?
Are there some categories one shouldn't joke about? (Nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation?)
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
As a caucasian living in a mostly Hispanic community (USA town near the Mexico border), I don't like when stereotypes are used. They were used against me a lot growing up, everyone always joked I was gonna shoot up the school cuz I was the white kid in the classroom. They also always called me a Nazi and KKK, (this was done "jokingly"). But people would genuinely think I would be willing to shoot up a place, because of the stereotype that weird/quiet/awkward white kids shoot up places.

I told my Native American boyfriend that I have experienced casual racism in the town we grew up in due to how people would stereotype me and insult me, but he told me it was impossible to experience racism since I'm white and we decided to drop the conversation. So idk.

But I don't like stereotyping when it comes to race at least. But I try to stay away from it in general, though I often stereotype statists/voters.
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
Overall, I find them annoying. Probably because I've had a lot of them thrown at me, and it never fits.

There are harmless bits(like the joke about the wine) that are fine, and sometimes funny, but the assumptions that a person thinks or feels a certain way because of their race, gender, social status, style, etc can make life hard to navigate.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Stereotypes, tropes, clichés, commonplaces, we all have some of them in our minds.
I use them jokingly, like I just today commented that women are illogical and French people like to drink wine.
I hope, I didn't step on anyone's toes with these comments, as some people are (over) sensitive.
(Some are so sensitive that they object to stereotypes I didn't even hint at.)

How do you feel about stereotypes?
Are they OK to use as jokes?
Are there some categories one shouldn't joke about? (Nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation?)
To me, it depends on the audience. What may be appropriate in one setting may not be appropriate in another. Generally speaking though, I avoid most stereotypes. I don't want people stereotyping me and so I don't stereotype them.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Stereotypes, tropes, clichés, commonplaces, we all have some of them in our minds.
I use them jokingly, like I just today commented that women are illogical and French people like to drink wine.
I hope, I didn't step on anyone's toes with these comments, as some people are (over) sensitive.
(Some are so sensitive that they object to stereotypes I didn't even hint at.)

How do you feel about stereotypes?
Are they OK to use as jokes?
Are there some categories one shouldn't joke about? (Nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation?)

I've learned to avoid them as I've gotten older. Of course, I grew up in the 1960s and 70s, when such things were still considered wrong and offensive, yet still heavily ingrained in the culture that it took more of a concerted effort to make them go away in polite company.

We have a diverse array of nationalities and cultures in the U.S. where stereotypes and ethnic jokes aren't generally received very well. I think the last time I ever heard a Polish joke spoken out loud was more than 30 years ago. But 40-50 years ago, I heard them a lot.

There was also a period when "dead baby" jokes got told a lot. Thankfully, we don't hear those much anymore.

But I think any humor or stereotyping of an ethnic, national, cultural, or racial group can be misinterpreted and often falls into a "politically incorrect" category. I don't know that it's always malicious, and sometimes, it might even be funny. But I refrain from doing it myself.

I've heard quite a few of them. Spend enough time around the good old boys from the South, and you'll hear some real knee-slappers.

But then again, if someone said "French people like to drink wine," I doubt anyone would cause a fuss. Some people might say "German people like to drink beer." If people said that, would it bother the average German if they heard it?

Of course, there might be other stereotypes about Germany which some Germans might not like. So, I guess it just depends on how far it goes.

Some people might say it with full knowledge that they know it's a stereotype and they don't really mean any real harm by saying it in jest. That's where it can get a bit murky. Is it just good-natured ribbing? Are these politically correct fuddy-duddies ruining everyone's fun? They might argue that there's more to it than that, or that it could open the door to even worse types of stereotyping, enough to put the kibosh on it altogether.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
One of the funniest jokes I know involves stereotyping a "Mountain Man." But he's a white American guy so maybe it doesn't count.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Ok tell me whether or not you think this is funny:

A man moves from NYC to wayyyyyyy up in the mountains - he thinks he wants to live off the grid. So about day 3, he is bored to tears and suddenly he hears a knock on the door. He opens it and there's a Mountain Man standing there wearing overalls and no shoes with a big wad of tobacco in his mouth. He spits and says, "Hey. Wanted to invite you to a shindig at my house this Sat night." "Hey, I'd love to come!" says the man from NYC. The mountain man shuffles and spits over his shoulder and says, "I gots to warn ya, there's gonna be some drankin." "I don't mind that!" says the man from NYC. The mountain man shuffles around again and spits over his shoulder and says, "And there's gonna be some dancin." "Fine by me," says the man from NYC. "Wale, " the mountain man says and shuffles around again and spits over his shoulder again, "There's gonna be some lovin." "That's great!" says the man from NYC. "I've been bored to tears! But before you go, tell me - what should I wear?"

"Don't much matter," says the mountain man, "Ain't gonna be nobody there ceptin' you and me."
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
So. Many. Stereotypes. But I do think it's funny, in the right audience. But not an audience full of real mountain men or gay men. Thank you, by the way, for those of you who have messaged me about this.
 

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
Stereotypes, tropes, clichés, commonplaces, we all have some of them in our minds.
I use them jokingly, like I just today commented that women are illogical and French people like to drink wine.
I hope, I didn't step on anyone's toes with these comments, as some people are (over) sensitive.
(Some are so sensitive that they object to stereotypes I didn't even hint at.)

How do you feel about stereotypes?
Are they OK to use as jokes?
Are there some categories one shouldn't joke about? (Nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation?)
Depends on who I'm with. Amongst friends I might be deliberately provocative because I know they know I don't mean it.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Stereotype.... in Beijing I am a Rich American...as is every American that shows up there, no matter the reality in America
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Stereotypes, tropes, clichés, commonplaces, we all have some of them in our minds.
I use them jokingly, like I just today commented that women are illogical and French people like to drink wine.
I hope, I didn't step on anyone's toes with these comments, as some people are (over) sensitive.
(Some are so sensitive that they object to stereotypes I didn't even hint at.)

How do you feel about stereotypes?
Are they OK to use as jokes?
Are there some categories one shouldn't joke about? (Nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation?)
Im good with steteotypes like that i dont get
profiled as a sususpicious character
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
They just figure that your ego will make you
pick up tab at restaurant.
My family there won't let me pay for anything..... and to be honest, in most places I can't.... everything in Beijing is paid for by a phone app..... they don't take credit cards and many place don't take cash...and if they do,.... they don't have change......
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Ok tell me whether or not you think this is funny:

A man moves from NYC to wayyyyyyy up in the mountains - he thinks he wants to live off the grid. So about day 3, he is bored to tears and suddenly he hears a knock on the door. He opens it and there's a Mountain Man standing there wearing overalls and no shoes with a big wad of tobacco in his mouth. He spits and says, "Hey. Wanted to invite you to a shindig at my house this Sat night." "Hey, I'd love to come!" says the man from NYC. The mountain man shuffles and spits over his shoulder and says, "I gots to warn ya, there's gonna be some drankin." "I don't mind that!" says the man from NYC. The mountain man shuffles around again and spits over his shoulder and says, "And there's gonna be some dancin." "Fine by me," says the man from NYC. "Wale, " the mountain man says and shuffles around again and spits over his shoulder again, "There's gonna be some lovin." "That's great!" says the man from NYC. "I've been bored to tears! But before you go, tell me - what should I wear?"

"Don't much matter," says the mountain man, "Ain't gonna be nobody there ceptin' you and me."
Of course it's funny.

I wonder how many people here can really understand what it might be like to grow up, as I did, as a gay person in the 1960s, going to a boys boarding school, run by Quakers, in a world that was very, very intolerant of that sort of thing. Sometimes -- not a lot of fun, I assure you.

But I have always felt as if it was my responsibility to find some way to fit in, not everybody else's responsibility to make room for me. Of course, that gets harder when you insist on being yourself at the same time -- but all that means is that there are going to be places you really are NOT welcome. Oh, well, maybe those are places I'd just rather not be, and let's leave it at that.

Some of the best humour in history has come from the use of stereotypes, and placing them in unexpected situations. The overweight soprano ("it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings"), or the "Chinese Dance" (by slanty-eyed mushrooms!) in Disney's Fantasia.

The problem with stereotypes is that they are, often quite substantially, real!

The other problem, which I hinted in Disney's Fantasia, is that stereotypes are often at the very heart of some very great art. We cannot judge the past from our vantage point in the present. In spite of the racism that many claim in Disney's "Song of the South," racism doesn't seem to have played any part in its creation -- yet you'll not find a copy available in any Disney venue to this very day.

Funny, I always have this notion that "Drag Queen" describes something very, very different from transvestite. What Rue Paul's "Drag Race," and what you are seeing is charicature, performance, entertainment, exaggeration. Then go watch "Mrs. Doubtfire." Perhaps a bad example, but there are transvestites living in our midsts, men who dress as women but do it in a way that is understated in comparison to the drag queen, because they're not trying to shock, they're trying to live their life as they feel it.

Goodness, this rant could go on forever! I'll try to sum up: try to see the use of "stereotype" from an artistic point of view, rather than from a politically correct one. Political correctness has too many pot-holes, too many traps.

Let me give an example from my early life in that boys' boarding school: In my second year, a new boy approached me one day and blurted out, "I hear you're a fruit. Are you?" And my answer was, "No, I'm the whole freakin' orchard!" Trust me, he got over himself.
 
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