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Still Fighting for a Free and Equal Internet

dust1n

Zindīq
"Comcast is firing warning shots over the FCC's historic decision Thursday.

The agency passed new Internet regulation prevent network owners -- like AT&T (T, Tech30), Comcast (CMCSA), Time Warner Cable (TWC), and Verizon (VZ, Tech30) -- from discriminating against what kind of traffic runs over their networks.

Comcast warned that a bitter legal fight is coming.

"After today, the only 'certainty'... is that we all face inevitable litigation and years of regulatory uncertainty," said Comcast's executive vice president, David Cohen.

It's similar to the warning AT&T's made earlier this month.

Comcast's legal threat is real, which is why despite the cheers of victory from populist groups on Thursday, the net neutrality fight is far from over."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/26/technology/comcast-net-neutrality/

Looking closely at this, as I'm tired of AT&T for a number of reasons. But if they make yet another move to try to override net neutrality, then I'll be looking for a different ISP.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I don't see why they can't just leave the internet alone. They're already making money because people have to pay them to access it, why do they need to milk even more money out of it?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
So I've been trying to figure out what's been going in net neutrality for a bit, since I've been out of looking into for a bit, and came across this.

"
With a firm legal foundation
established
, the Order s
ets three “bright
-
line

rules of the road
for behavior
known to harm the
Open Internet
, adopts a
n
additional, flexible
standard to future
-
proof Internet openness
rules,
and
protects mobile broadband users with the full array of
Open Internet
rules. It does so while
preserving incentives for investment and innovation by broadband providers by affording
them
an even
more tailored version of the
light
-
touch
regulatory
treatment that
fostered t
remendous growth in the
mobile wireless industry.
Following are the key provisions
and rules
of the FCC’
s Open Internet Order:
New
Rules to Protect an Open Internet
While the FCC’s 2010
Open Internet
rules had limited applicability to mobile broadband, the new rules

in their entirety

would apply to
fixed and
mobile broadband
alike
, recognizing advances in technology
and the growing significance of wireless broadband
access in recent years
(while recognizing the
importance of reasonable network management and its specific application to mobile
and unlicensed
Wi
-
Fi
networks)
. Th
e Order
protect
s
consumers no matter how they access the Internet, whether
o
n
a
desktop
computer or
a
mobile device.
Bright Line Rules
: The first three rules ban practices that are known to harm the Open Internet:

No Blocking
: broadband providers may not block access to legal content, applications, services,
or non
-
harmful devices.

No Throttling
: broadband providers may not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the
basis of content, applications, services, or non
-
harmful devices.

No Paid Prioritization
: broadband providers may not favor some lawful Internet traffic over
othe
r lawful traffic in exchange for consideration
of any kind

in other words, no “fast lanes.”
This rule also bans ISPs from prioritizing content and services of their affiliates.
The bright
-
line rules against blocking and throttling will prohibit harmful pr
actices that target specific
applications or classes of applications. And the ban on paid prioritization ensures that there will be no
fast lanes."

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0226/DOC-332260A1.pdf


What essentially the beginning story, released in Febraury 2015 is saying, is that despite the aformentioned rules, the first rules ever that guaranteed the FCC to ensure that ISP's cannot favor content over another, nor block or impede access to anything...

More detailed look:

"
The FCC has passed a historic measure to more strictly regulate the Internet.
The new rules, based on the principles of "net neutrality," act to provide equal opportunity for Internet speeds and access to websites.


The central question was whether network owners -- like Comcast (CMCSA) or Time Warner Cable (TWC) -- can discriminate what runs on their cables. The FCC's answer on Thursday was: No.

The Democratic-led commission approved 3-to-2, split along party lines, to assert extra government authority over the Internet.

Now for the wild claims on both sides: "We saved the Internet!" or "We've destroyed it with government bureaucracy!"

Don't believe the hype. Take a deep breath. It's a long, tricky road ahead.

The FCC rules won't be official until maybe summertime. Then major telecom companies will challenge new rules in court. A judge might put the rules on hold. The next president, if Republican, could let this fizzle away.

That's why, in the near term, nothing changes. No, Netflix won't suddenly stream any faster. No, AT&T and Comcast won't abruptly stop laying down high-speed fiber cables in your neighborhood as retaliation. And yes, Netflix can still cut deals with broadband companies for faster access to a network.

So what just happened, exactly? The FCC just granted itself the power to defeat a raging, fire-breathing monster: the monopolistic network owners who can kill Internet freedom by blocking websites -- or by creating an Internet fast lane for the privileged, few, rich tech companies that can pay for it.

But this monster is actually a phantom menace. Sure, in the past, telecoms have been bullies. Verizon blocked Google Wallet. AT&T blocked video chatting apps. Comcast slowed down file-sharing services like BitTorrent. Rural telephone provider Madison River blocked Vonage's over-the-Internet phone calls. However, the FCC used existing rules to fix those problems.

The new rules essentially maintain the status quo. The Internet sure feels free today. It'll feel the same way tomorrow.

That's why some worry about how the FCC just ensured net neutrality. To enforce fairness rules, the agency will regulate network owners by scooping them up under Title II of the 1934 Telecommunications Act, a specific set of regulations that apply to phone companies. Telecoms say the rules don't match the services they provide. They don't trust the FCC's promise that it will apply only a tiny fraction of those rules and won't regulate rates and increase taxes.

"Assurances like these don't tend to last very long," warned Republican FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai. "Expect ... regulation to ratchet up as time goes on."

Meanwhile, Tom Wheeler, the FCC chairman who ditched his original dialed-back plan for this one, assured this isn't a government power grab.

"This is no more a plan to regulate the Internet than the First Amendment is a plan to regulate free speech," he said. "They both stand for the same concept: openness, expression and an absence of gatekeepers."

How did we start caring about this? Credit comedian John Oliver, who got enough viewers of his HBO show that a record 4 million Americans sent comments to the FCC.

He framed it from the point of view of the average person dealing with their Internet service provider. Plans are expensive, service is inexplicably spotty and you have little choice. Clearly, the network owners are the bad guys.

During Thursday's hearing, the testimony of those who spoke in favor of the FCC's new rules all took that populist tone. Etsy CEO Chad Dickerson thanked the FCC for "protecting the Internet as an engine for economic opportunity." Celebrated technologist Sir Tim Berners-Lee said this ensures modern entrepreneurs the same opportunity he had when he created the World Wide Web 26 years ago.

After the vote, President Obama issued this statement via Twitter: "Today's FCC decision will protect innovation and create a level playing field for the next generation of entrepreneurs."

But wait, there's a third option. As this fight makes its way through the courts, Congress has the opportunity to stand up and write rules that work too.

After all, both network owners and the websites that flow data through them have a point. Outright blocking and anti-competitive behavior is unfair and should be illegal. On the other hand, for technical reasons, network owners need to manage traffic. Your video stream needs to move faster than your email for your experience to feel smooth.

That's why critics call the Title II approach -- what the FCC did today -- a blunt instrument. But it's not clear that it's as wonderful -- or terrible -- as everyone says.

Rob Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a technology policy think tank, laments how the conversation has spiraled out of control.

"This has become a debate about a false choice: letting carriers do whatever the heck they want and overly burdensome regulations," Atkinson said.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/26/technology/fcc-rules-net-neutrality/index.html
 

dust1n

Zindīq
It's fun. If I had that kind of money, I'd be doing unspeakable thing after unspeakable thing just because I could. That has to be utterly intoxicating.

I'd buy all the billboards and put a single unspeakable image and/or word on all of them.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's fun. If I had that kind of money, I'd be doing unspeakable thing after unspeakable thing just because I could. That has to be utterly intoxicating.
I'd make them finish My Name is Earl, and make Ethan Supplee put the weight back on so he looks like Randy again.
 

Baladas

An Págánach
It's fun. If I had that kind of money, I'd be doing unspeakable thing after unspeakable thing just because I could. That has to be utterly intoxicating.
I can definitely see where you are coming from.
I would definitely be doing all kinds of things with my power.

Much of it to improve the world (from my perspective at least), and probably an equal amount of things just for fun.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
Just control freaks being control freaks. I knew it'd happen sooner or later where they'd meddle with every single tiny thing you do, telling you what to watch, listen to, eat, drink, ect. Just meddlers and no one likes to be meddled with.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
"Comcast is firing warning shots over the FCC's historic decision Thursday.

The agency passed new Internet regulation prevent network owners -- like AT&T (T, Tech30), Comcast (CMCSA), Time Warner Cable (TWC), and Verizon (VZ, Tech30) -- from discriminating against what kind of traffic runs over their networks.

Comcast warned that a bitter legal fight is coming.

"After today, the only 'certainty'... is that we all face inevitable litigation and years of regulatory uncertainty," said Comcast's executive vice president, David Cohen.

It's similar to the warning AT&T's made earlier this month.

Comcast's legal threat is real, which is why despite the cheers of victory from populist groups on Thursday, the net neutrality fight is far from over."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/26/technology/comcast-net-neutrality/

Looking closely at this, as I'm tired of AT&T for a number of reasons. But if they make yet another move to try to override net neutrality, then I'll be looking for a different ISP.

Satellite ISP is out of the question for me as I like gaming. I need something physically wired to the house.

How many choices do we have? In my area, its between AT&T and Comcast. It basically between crap and expensive.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Satellite ISP is out of the question for me as I like gaming. I need something physically wired to the house.

How many choices do we have? In my area, its between AT&T and Comcast. It basically between crap and expensive.
I do too much Netflix and Crunchyroll for satellite, and here there is no cable. There are three wireless providers, one that I have not heard anything good about and my friend with it was constantly complaining about it, there is the one I have which is good, and there is a newer one, one of my friends have it, and although I don't know the down/upload speeds, it does stream Netflix in HD, which mine doesn't.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
I think the internet providers are seeing the obscene cash cow that is the data networks for cell carriers and lusting after similar kinds of cash flow.

It still blows my mind that people pay as much as they do for cell data and have allowed these companies to raise rates and cut data plans with aplomb.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
I do too much Netflix and Crunchyroll for satellite, and here there is no cable. There are three wireless providers, one that I have not heard anything good about and my friend with it was constantly complaining about it, there is the one I have which is good, and there is a newer one, one of my friends have it, and although I don't know the down/upload speeds, it does stream Netflix in HD, which mine doesn't.

I was in the same boat for a decade. Fought with both Verizon and Time Warner (the only two carriers in this area) for at least half that time. I was 1 mile from the end of both of their networks and they refused to help me and my neighbors.

A few years back I managed to get a hold of the VP of DSL at Verizon via email and they had me up and running with DSL in 3 days. It's still not blazing fast, but a heck of lot better than satellite (which I had for a while).
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I do too much Netflix and Crunchyroll for satellite, and here there is no cable. There are three wireless providers, one that I have not heard anything good about and my friend with it was constantly complaining about it, there is the one I have which is good, and there is a newer one, one of my friends have it, and although I don't know the down/upload speeds, it does stream Netflix in HD, which mine doesn't.

What's your download speed?

Netflix HD or HD in general needs about 6 Mbps for reliable streaming. It depends on the encoders too. I get reliable HD content where I'm from and my speed is 6.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I think the internet providers are seeing the obscene cash cow that is the data networks for cell carriers and lusting after similar kinds of cash flow.

It still blows my mind that people pay as much as they do for cell data and have allowed these companies to raise rates and cut data plans with aplomb.

I read somewhere that ISPs want to force a data limit as opposed to data speed limit. Basically, it would follow the same plans as cellular like 10 gigs a month.

Oh I hate the ISPs.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What's your download speed?
1.36 Mb/s, according to the online speed test. I typically get downloads at 220 Kb/s. Not fast, but it really beats the 15 Kb/s dial-up that was the only option here until about 8 years ago.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
1.36 Mb/s, according to the online speed test. I typically get downloads at 220 Kb/s. Not fast, but it really beats the 15 Kb/s dial-up that was the only option here until about 8 years ago.

13.6 Mb/s in America? In 2015? We should be ashamed of ourselves.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
1.36 Mb/s, according to the online speed test. I typically get downloads at 220 Kb/s. Not fast, but it really beats the 15 Kb/s dial-up that was the only option here until about 8 years ago.

Yeah, 1.36 Mbs and 220 Kbs are not fast enough for HD content.

If you can go up to ~3 or even ~6, that might help you out a bit. Are you wired or wireless? Sometimes, wireless could be adding to the lag.
 
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