Still lurking

[Jimmy]

I think the first building blocks of life are still around as we speak and that their infinitesimal to the eye. Unfortunately they’ll never be discovered in our lifetime because their to small. Haha we’re probably living with the thing right under our noses we’ve been trying to discover all along.

So you’re gonna tell me that 5 billion years ago the beginning building blocks of life just stopped existing? I don’t think so iMO. Their still around

 

[MikeF]

I think the first building blocks of life are still around as we speak and that their infinitesimal to the eye. Unfortunately they’ll never be discovered in our lifetime because their to small. Haha we’re probably living with the thing right under our noses we’ve been trying to discover all along.

So you’re gonna tell me that 5 billion years ago the beginning building blocks of life just stopped existing? I don’t think so iMO. Their still around

First let's acknowledge that the surface of the earth is continually changing, to include the amount of any particular element or compound. Given that, let's say that precursors that were necessary for abiogenesis are around today. One factor you have to account for is that those precursors are now potential resources for organisms that currently exist. There no longer remains a competition free environment in which any precursor molecules can percolate unmolested in the off chance abiogenesis will happen again.

 

[LuisDantas]

I think the first building blocks of life are still around as we speak and that their infinitesimal to the eye. Unfortunately they’ll never be discovered in our lifetime because their to small. Haha we’re probably living with the thing right under our noses we’ve been trying to discover all along.

So you’re gonna tell me that 5 billion years ago the beginning building blocks of life just stopped existing? I don’t think so iMO. Their still around

You seem to be assuming that those building blocks somehow were not incorporated into actual living organisms.

I have no idea about why.

 

[Jimmy]

First let's acknowledge that the surface of the earth is continually changing, to include the amount of any particular element or compound. Given that, let's say that precursors that were necessary for abiogenesis are around today. One factor you have to account for is that those precursors are now potential resources for organisms that currently exist. There no longer remains a competition free environment in which any precursor molecules can percolate unmolested in the off chance abiogenesis will happen again.

I disagree. I’m talking about the realm to small to be detected.

 

[Jimmy]

You seem to be assuming that those building blocks somehow were not incorporated into actual living organisms.

I have no idea about why.

Maybe some were. Maybe some perished. I do believe that once they started they never stopped starting.

 

[The Hammer]

I think the first building blocks of life are still around as we speak and that their infinitesimal to the eye. Unfortunately they’ll never be discovered in our lifetime because their to small. Haha we’re probably living with the thing right under our noses we’ve been trying to discover all along.

So you’re gonna tell me that 5 billion years ago the beginning building blocks of life just stopped existing? I don’t think so iMO. Their still around

Those building blocks are still around?

 

[LuisDantas]

Maybe some were. Maybe some perished. I do believe that once they started they never stopped starting.

So... we are talking all-out fiction?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think the first building blocks of life are still around as we speak and that their infinitesimal to the eye. Unfortunately they’ll never be discovered in our lifetime because their to small. Haha we’re probably living with the thing right under our noses we’ve been trying to discover all along.

So you’re gonna tell me that 5 billion years ago the beginning building blocks of life just stopped existing? I don’t think so iMO. Their still around

That would require recreating the early environment and atmosphere which doesn't exist today , but I'm sure if they find the right conditions to be duplicated in the lab, it could probably happen.

 

[The Hammer]

Maybe some were. Maybe some perished. I do believe that once they started they never stopped starting.

Well belief or not, this would need factual basis.

 

[The Hammer]

Lab Experiments Reveal Pathway to Forming Life's Building Blocks in Space

Scientists have used lab experiments to retrace the chemical steps leading to the creation of complex hydrocarbons in space, showing pathways to forming 2-D carbon-based nanostructures in a mix of heated gases.

scitechdaily.com

 

[Jimmy]

You seem to be assuming that those building blocks somehow were not incorporated into actual living organisms.

I have no idea about why.

I think that whatever “triggered” that first “spark” didn’t just one day vanish. I believe those initial, for lack of a better word “sparks” are still being created and destroyed today

 

[Jimmy]

Those building blocks are still around?

Not those exact same ones obviously. But yeah they were countless and still are imo.

 

[Jimmy]

Well belief or not, this would need factual basis.

Oh no doubt. Just putting forth an idea

 

[LuisDantas]

I think that whatever “triggered” that first “spark” didn’t just one day vanish. I believe those initial, for lack of a better word “sparks” are still being created and destroyed today

Again: are we talking fiction, or are we not?

If the earlier, you make the rules and they can be self-contradictory.

If the later, then we need some sort of hypothesis to consider and perhaps find ways to falsify so that there is a chance to make it less than fully speculative. That hypothesis would need to, among other things, attempt to describe, delimit and characterize those building blocks you speak with.

Me, I think that those building blocks ought to be simple primitive organic molecules, and therefore would be entirely undetectable if not inexistent these days.

Apparently you are conceiving something else, but you still need to tell us what that would be before meaningful commentary can be given.

 

[ratiocinator]

I think the first building blocks of life are still around as we speak and that their infinitesimal to the eye.

Why? Do you know anything at all about the actual science?

 

[Jimmy]

That would require recreating the early environment and atmosphere which doesn't exist today , but I'm sure if they find the right conditions to be duplicated in the lab, it could probably happen.

Again: are we talking fiction, or are we not?

If the earlier, you make the rules and they can be self-contradictory.

If the later, then we need some sort of hypothesis to consider and perhaps find ways to falsify so that there is a chance to make it less than fully speculative. That hypothesis would need to, among other things, attempt to describe, delimit and characterize those building blocks you speak with.

Me, I think that those building blocks ought to be simple primitive organic molecules, and therefore would be entirely undetectable if not inexistent these days.

Apparently you are conceiving something else, but you still need to tell us what that would be before meaningful commentary can be given.

I’m no scientist and furthermore like I said their infinitesimal so Unfortunately it’s a not even a hypothesis because it’s untestable

 

[MikeF]

I disagree. I’m talking about the realm to small to be detected.

The precursors that may have resulted in first life are simply composed of elements, elements that are still around, just in different associations and concentrations. Not a matter of realms, or detectability. Simply scattered about doing different things now.

 

[LuisDantas]

I’m no scientist and furthermore like I said their infinitesimal so Unfortunately it’s a not even a hypothesis because it’s untestable

No, not even that.

It is fiction alright.

 

[Jimmy]

The precursors that may have resulted in first life are simply composed of elements, elements that are still around, just in different associations and concentrations. Not a matter of realms, or detectability. Simply scattered about doing different things now.

Ok. I agree. Doesn’t really follow our conversation

 

[The Hammer]

I’m no scientist and furthermore like I said their infinitesimal so Unfortunately it’s a not even a hypothesis because it’s untestable

Then we are dealing with fiction.