First of all, when I am talking to you, the only pronouns I will use are "you" or "your". Male/Female pronouns (he/she) are only used when I am talking about you to someone else; at which time you are not even a part of the conversation.
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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools
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That's fine but you gotta meet us halfway and realize that not everybody is going to see you the way you see yourself.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Okay, then imagine finding out someone is constantly referring to you with feminine pronouns whenever they refer to you. This occurs at work or school. And this is despite you asking them to stop.
The same thing he did to all the other countries he declared war on
No, by the time he declared war on us, we hated him.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
When you say "us", what group are you referring to? My concern is that some folks here keep framing the issue as a "demand". When they put it that way, they seem to be engaged in some kind of social conflict with a counter-demand. However, if it's just a matter of accommodating someone's sincere desire to be addressed by a particular pronoun, I'll do what I can out of politeness to that person.
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Everybody except the person making the polite request.
The pronoun of a person isn't determined by society nor the individual's choice. It is determined by the individual's genetics. It is an innate objective reality.
We Never Know
No Slack
When you say "they", What group are you referring to?
Utter nonsense. I have never done a genetic test on someone before knowing how to refer to them.
tytlyf
Not Religious
That's the Anarchy sign, not Antifa.
Additionally, the remark you made about people holding a banner saying "Antifa" was a photo from Germany. The Christian daily source, who references Breitbart and Fox doesn't mention that. Deceptive.
Are we learning yet to not trust conservative media?
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
So it is your view that pronouns be tied to genetics?
Isn't this then "demanding" we tie pronouns to someone's genetics? Even if our language weren't dynamic and evolving according to culture, how would we do this? Must a person have their genetic information tattooed on their foreheads? What of those who do not have XX or Xy but instead have XXy or have XX Male syndrome?
Pronouns ultimately are determined by society because our language is, and practicality suggests that listening to folks and applying their personal pronouns is a fair and civil approach.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, that's just false. Do here what he did in Russia or France or the UK? HA!
Oh well. America loved him to bits till they learned he's less into sharing than Uncle Sam.
I would have a conversation with them. But I would enter that conversation with the acknowledgment that he/she are not only gender references but biological references also. Now if this person were convinced I were a biological female that presents as a male I would understand they referred to me as female due to my biology rather than my gender; at which case I would explain to them that not only is my gender male, but also my biology.
What would have stopped him from dropping bombs on American cities like he did in Russia, France and UK?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The fact defeat for Hitler was already inevitable by the time America joined in in European front.
But, for anything else make another thread.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's what you say, but I see no reason you wouldn't see me as female as so many others do. Seriously, even working on my car people just see me as a girl. It's how I learned there is a literal male gaze when men look at you like a piece of meat.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Then I'm part of your "us" group, and I am quite happy to accommodate any sincere request to refer to someone with pronouns and any other means that conforms to their request. As a fellow member of your group, I would say that I don't see why we should have a problem with that. It may seem awkward, but it doesn't do us any serious injury to be polite.
Shaul, pronoun usage is determined by a speech community, not genetics. It is a social convention. Gender-based pronoun usage goes back well before anyone knew anything about genes, and gender identity problems were simply a taboo subject of discussion. Given the changing times, we can talk about it openly now and come to an understanding of how to deal with it. We've already changed pronoun usage a little to accommodate neutral references to heterosexual gender, since some of us find it awkward to always have to choose between male or female pronoun reference in sentences like "Everyone forgot his/her/their textbook". Many writing style guides have even begun to approve the use of "their" rather than a singular pronoun in such cases. We are lucky not to have gender marking on plural pronouns, so there is no logical reason why English should need it for singular usage.
I believe that there was a clear antecedent to the pronoun in the post you quoted, so that should be your answer. I was referring to people who frame gender pronoun usage as a "demand" rather than a request.
With 100 different genders and pronouns to match, how do you keep track?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
100?