No you don’t. You address people according to their appearance and other subjective social cues, just like everyone else.
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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
If you believe there is such a thing as an "objective definition" then you just plain don't understand language.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Literally impossible unless you sexually assault them first.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Being "kind and polite" is kind of moot when you're deliberately doing something that you know belittles and upsets people.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
You have the audacity to be wrong, and to continue being willfully wrong just because you want to upset people.
How astute of Mr Rogers. Since transmen are not girls and were boys from the beginning and transwomen were girls from the start.
Anyway Roger's was very progressive for his time and absolutely blew the minds of his republican contemporaries by featuring black and gay inclusion. Even so much as telling a friend that he didn't care if he were gay and didn't see it as immoral.
Right wing rags trying to use this as evidence Roger's would have been transphobic are completely off the mark.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Thats like me trying to claim "when I tell someone to **** off it's in a kind, polite way." LMFAO!
Amd no, you don't refer to biology. You have no super powers that informs you of this.
True; and if their biology appears male, I address them as male.
If their biology appears male, I address them as male
They deliberately belittle me by accusing me of misgendering someone else when I didn’t address gender at all? Maybe before accusing, they should ask if my response was in reference to their gender or their biology; rather than making empty accusations.
Just because you say I’m wrong doesn’t mean I am; you need to explain what I said that was wrong.
So you understand that pronouns refer to a persons gender. Not necessarily their biology.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
How much of their biology do you observe?
Gender is the social construct that we use to refer to each other. If you refer to them with any gendered term, you are referring to their gender.
It's not. You're deliberately choosing to use their biology BECAUSE it's contrary to their gender. You are deliberately misgendering them if you see someone whose gender is contrary to their biological sex and explicitly refer only to their biology rather than their identified gender. You know what you're doing.
Gender is a social construct, and we refer to each other by gendered categories, not biological categories. To deny this is just a denial of fact.
You don't need super powers to address someone according to how they appear.
I also understand pronouns refer to a persons biology, not necessarily their gender.
I observe how they look.
I refer to them with biological terms.
I've always refered to their biology, back when they were used as the same this was not a problem, but now that they have redefined gender to mean something other than biology, people like you have a problem with it. But I will continue to refer to biology.
He/She are biological categories. This applies to all mammals; not just humans; this is an undeniable fact.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
So, you make an impression based on outward appearance. In what way does biology determine that?
No, you're not. You're referring to them with a gendered term.
They weren't. For as long as gender has been understood as a social construct, it has been distinct from biological categorization.
Gender never meant biology. For as long as the word gender has been applied to humans, it has been a distinct, social category to biology.
No, you're just deliberately misgendering people because it upsets them. That is literally the only reason to do it, rather than using gender as a social construct like literally everyone else, and how it has ALWAYS applied since the terms has been applied to people.
It's just pointless cruelty.
No, they're gendered terms. For as long as you have been alive, this has been understood. You know that when you refer to human men and women you are referring to something that is very different than simple biology, and you can't possibly claim otherwise. If you did, it would mean that you personally investigate the biological makeup of every individual you ever refer to with gendered terms, rather than making loose associations based around a set of socially-formed expectations. You would never have referred to anyone as "manly" or "womanly" or "lady-like" or "boy-ish". You use the terms in a social context, just like literally everyone does. You just make one exception for trans people. And the only reason to do that is because you know it upsets and harms them.
Why not just use their preferred gender and pronouns? It is literally effortless, harmless, and makes the world a better, nicer place.
If you think the useage and definitions of pronouns and terminology (or literally any words) are "undeniable facts" then you don't understand how language works.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That juat means that like everybody else you go by visual queues. This is because biology is obscured from view.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That attitude of yours is how butch lesbians and women with PCOS get misgendered.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I do as well, but if I'm informed that "he" is trans, then I adjust in that direction.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
That's great for you, but you really didn't address my point. Your service, and the service of your dad, uncle and brother are what deserve the respect, in my opinion.
It is literally a piece of cloth that has no feelings, no wants, no desires. Versus an interaction with a literal human being with feelings, desires and needs.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
And we're back to this.
How do you know that you are addressing "everybody according to their biology?"