Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[Shaul]

That would be you, actually.

Fun fact: about 1 in 20,000 people who are genetically male (i.e. have an SRY gene) don't have a Y chromosome.

XX male syndrome - Wikipedia

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And of course none of this dictates anything about gender identity.

The SRY gene can produce testes. But a male is more than just testes. That is why a male is defined as having a Y chromosome. The full complement of genes in the Y chromosome is what determines that a person is male.

 

[fantome profane]

Scientific American has become a political magazine. It is garbage.

Reality has a liberal bias.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I say "bull".

I'm shocked.

Case Report: Induced Lactation in a Transgender Woman

Objective: Our report describes a case of nonpuerperal induced lactation in a transgender woman.Methods: We present the relevant clinical and laboratory findings, along with a review of the relevant literature.Results: A 30-year-old transgender woman ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Male lactation - Wikipedia

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Can Men Lactate?

Unlike female nipples, male nipples appear to be purely decorative. But can they also be functional and secrete milk — that is, can men lactate?Short answer: Yes, under certain circumstances.

www.livescience.com

 

[metis]

Scientific American has become a political magazine. It is garbage.

Gee, how convenient of you to ignore reality. I'm done with your nonsense & dishonesty.

 

[Kfox]

You went on at length about how you like to misgender trans people when you meet them.

When have I ever said anything like that? Are you confusing me with someone else?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is rude is for someone to have a personal preference to which they insist everyone else must conform.

You mean like insisting that a certain group of women are actually men based soley on your poor understanding of biology?

 

[Shaul]

You mean like insisting that a certain group of women are actually men based soley on your poor understanding of biology?

No, I mean like making up faux umbrage about nonsensical pronouns based on pseudo-scientific prattle and then denying actual science. You say "women" but you haven't provided an unambiguous science based definition for what a woman even is.

 

[Shaul]

Gee, how convenient of you to ignore reality. I'm done with your nonsense & dishonesty.

Hilarious. The guy who postures as even he has "creds" about biology because he once read one or two Scientific American magazines.

 

[Shaul]

I'm shocked.

Case Report: Induced Lactation in a Transgender Woman

Objective: Our report describes a case of nonpuerperal induced lactation in a transgender woman.Methods: We present the relevant clinical and laboratory findings, along with a review of the relevant literature.Results: A 30-year-old transgender woman ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Male lactation - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Can Men Lactate?

Unlike female nipples, male nipples appear to be purely decorative. But can they also be functional and secrete milk — that is, can men lactate?Short answer: Yes, under certain circumstances.

www.livescience.com

As I have written, you can disguise a person of one gender as being of the other. That doesn't change their innate genetic phenotype.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, I mean like making up faux umbrage about nonsensical pronouns based on pseudo-scientific prattle and then denying actual science. You say "women" but you haven't provided an unambiguous science based definition for what a woman even is.

That is exactly what you are doing for certain groups of women. From what you've been saying it's just not proper to say "it's a boy/girl" at birth, and no one must say anything about it until the child's genes are tested.

 

[fantome profane]

No, I mean like making up faux umbrage about nonsensical pronouns based on pseudo-scientific prattle and then denying actual science. You say "women" but you haven't provided an unambiguous science based definition for what a woman even is.

Obviously the umbrage you take is real umbrage, 100% pure certified.

 

[Yerda]

As I have written, you can disguise a person of one gender as being of the other. That doesn't change their innate genetic phenotype.

The point is that genotypes aren't gender. Gender identity is psychological/social - gentoypes are biochemistry.

 

[Father Heathen]

Reality has a liberal bias.

"The bible/Torah states that pi is 3, but math classes teach that it's 3.14, which means they're politically biased. They're going after our kids with mathematics! It's indoctrination!" - conservative logic.

 

[Father Heathen]

No, I mean like making up faux umbrage about nonsensical pronouns based on pseudo-scientific prattle and then denying actual science. You say "women" but you haven't provided an unambiguous science based definition for what a woman even is.

It ironic to see those who've dismissed evolution, climate change, vaccines, spherical earth, etc. to begin accusing others of denying science.

 

[Kfox]

You've never had a conversation between two people in which they've referred to you?

If I am conversation with multiple people, when referring to a specific person in that conversation, you usually refer to them by name.

 

[Shaul]

It ironic to see those who've dismissed evolution, climate change, vaccines, spherical earth, etc. to begin accusing others of denying science.

What a gratuitous comment. Are you implying I have done any of those things? I haven't. As for irony, anyone that accepts dismissed evolution, climate change, vaccines, spherical earth, etc. should use a science-based definition for a male.

 

[Copernicus]

What a gratuitous comment. Are you implying I have done any of those things? I haven't. As for irony, anyone that accepts dismissed evolution, climate change, vaccines, spherical earth, etc. should use a science-based definition for a male.

You appear to make no distinction between technical definitions and definitions of words used in everyday language. Those latter words are not defined by science, but by patterns of usage. When language changes, as it inevitably does, then people naturally extend meanings of old words and create new ones to address changing circumstances. English grammar forces a choice between male and female gender humans and some other animals only in a small set of pronouns--third person singular.

It is understandable that people who do not identify with the binary traditional categories will seek changes in pronoun usage, although it remains to be seen how the English-speaking community will settle that issue over time. One thing is certain. This problem is not going to go away because conservatives don't like the social changes that they would like to stop but have no real power to do so. People will develop linguistic patterns of usage to address their needs, even if there there is resistance to change.

 

[Shaul]

You appear to make no distinction between technical definitions and definitions of words used in everyday language. Those latter words are not defined by science, but by patterns of usage. When language changes, as it inevitably does, then people naturally extend meanings of old words and create new ones to address changing circumstances. English grammar forces a choice between male and female gender humans and some other animals only in a small set of pronouns--third person singular.

It is understandable that people who do not identify with the binary traditional categories will seek changes in pronoun usage, although it remains to be seen how the English-speaking community will settle that issue over time. One thing is certain. This problem is not going to go away because conservatives don't like the social changes that they would like to stop but have no real power to do so. People will develop linguistic patterns of usage to address their needs, even if there there is resistance to change.

In other words, some people want to ignore a science based definition for male to suit their purposes.

 

[Copernicus]

In other words, some people want to ignore a science based definition for male to suit their purposes.

Shaul, there is no single "science-based definition". That is something that exists in your mind but doesn't actually mean anything to people whose job it is to write definitions. Those people base their definitions on patterns of usage, not just the opinions of scientists. Within a technical community, there will be patterns of usage that hold for that community of speakers. I know, because that is an area that I have worked with for several decades. One thing that stands out about technical domains is that the definitions will vary widely from the ones used for the same words in other domains. For example, biologists, psychologists, and physicians will have very different ways to define gender, because they interact with different aspects of those personal categories. Everyday, ordinary usage is different, because it depends on how people interact socially with each other. Like it or not, the LGBT communities are very well-established social groups that will have an impact on patterns of linguistic usage.

 

[Shaul]

Shaul, there is no single "science-based definition". That is something that exists in your mind but doesn't actually mean anything to people whose job it is to write definitions. Those people base their definitions on patterns of usage, not just the opinions of scientists. Within a technical community, there will be patterns of usage that hold for that community of speakers. I know, because that is an area that I have worked with for several decades. One thing that stands out about technical domains is that the definitions will vary widely from the ones used for the same words in other domains. For example, biologists, psychologists, and physicians will have very different ways to define gender, because they interact with different aspects of those personal categories. Everyday, ordinary usage is different, because it depends on how people interact socially with each other. Like it or not, the LGBT communities are very well-established social groups that will have an impact on patterns of linguistic usage.

I wrote "a" scientific definition. So you don't have a point. You also haven't provided a scientific definition for male yourself. Again, all you are after is to avoid a strict unambiguous definition. You don't seek clarity. You seek relativism.