Of course not.
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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools
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I never said the only thing reason I am male is because of my Y chromosome.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So you're addressing them by their gender.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but that is not a strict duality of one or the other for sexes, read the rest of the defintion.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Simple look up the defintions of objective and subjective. Here are the 4 relevant ones:
Definition of OBJECTIVE
expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations; limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum… See the full definition
- of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers.
- having reality independent of the mind.
Definition of SUBJECTIVE
of, relating to, or constituting a subject: such as; of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness; being or relating to a grammatical subject; especially : nominative… See the full definition
Now apply them to e.g. you as relevent for this thread:
- You are a male as per sex if you meet the conditions of being a male as per sex. Mainly the second one for objective as expanded by science.
- That you identify as per socal identity as a male, is subjective per the defnition of subjective
- That you choose to treat other humans based on their biology is as a choice subjective.
So here is what you do, you accept that you subjectively identify as a social male, but you subjectively deny others the choice to identify as they indivudally do.
I am trying to explain you to that you use a double standard for subjectivity. You accept it, when it suits you and deny it, when it suits you.
Now back to intrapsychology. You have to have a certain level of that and if you like metacogntion to reflect on the fact, that your choice as how you identifiy socially, is subjective and how you treat others, is subjective.
You have to be aware that you have experiences or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states.
Are you aware, that you have that? That is the key point.
No humans is just objective for parts as only independent of mental characteristics or states. That is so of you and everybody else including me. I just know that.
And yes, that is how the everyday world works.
And now the defintion of social identity as per science for gender:
"
Gender
Gender is relevant only for research with humans (not other animals). Gender can be broadly defined as a multidimensional construct that encompasses gender identity and expression, as well as social and cultural expectations about status, characteristics, and behavior as they are associated with certain sex traits.[2] Understandings of gender vary throughout historical and cultural contexts."Sex & Gender
What are Sex & Gender? And why do they matter in health research? Understanding sex and gender is critical to understanding human health and disease.
And now for @Shaul No, science is not that simple. Get used to it.
And now back to you. No, you are not wrong in any objective sense. You are not even subjecitvely wrong to me. You just have another subjectivty as per personal mental characteristics or states.
So if I cut you, you bleed and that is bad. If you cut me, I bleed and that is bad. That is reciprocal objectivity and subjectivity. It works both ways.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So you assume you are male and don't actually know if you are. Have you even had the bloodwork to know what you t levels are?
I could have said I have a prostate thus I am a male also. Perhaps I should have phrased it differently; but I didn't mean to give the impression the only difference between male vs female is Y Chromosome.
I address them according to how they look. Usually how a person presents themselves is an indication of their sexual biology.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So you're addressing people by their gender.
With a hundred different genders out there, how am I supposed to know which gender? I find it easier to address people according to what I perceive their biology to be.So you're addressing people by their gender.
I have evidence to my satisfaction that I am a male; I am 100% certain of this. It may not be to your satisfaction, but it definitely is to mine.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Bu you don't actually know for sure, do you?
By definition, to know simply means to be certain beyond any shadow of doubt. Granted, just because you are certain does not mean you are right.
Know Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary
When I say I am 100% certain, I am saying I am beyond any shadow of doubt.
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
"Intersex" is an umbrella term for a variety of sexes that exist between male and female.
So you say there are not 2 but 3 sexes; male, female and intersex. Is that correct?
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Think of sex and gender as scalar concepts, not binary. What she said was "variety of sexes", not 3 sexes. Traditionally, only the end points of the scale are recognized, but people can occupy any point on the scale. Demographically, more people cluster at the ends of the scale than in the middle. Modern science makes up terms for different-sized clusters along the scale.
The idea of sex being binary is based on the idea that male and female are not only black and white, but also many shades of gray. But each of those shades of gray are still either male or female; each shade does not have it's own name.
If there are a variety of sexes, each sex should have a name. She mentioned Male, Female, and Intersex. If there are more, what are they?
Audie
Veteran Member
Or what they are pretending to be
True.