Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[Kfox]

The oil is just as important as the nuts and bolts.

If you car is low on oil, that won't cause you to kill another motorist. If your wheel falls off, or the brakes don't work, that can cause you to kill another motorist

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you car is low on oil, that won't cause you to kill another motorist. If your wheel falls off, or the brakes don't work, that can cause you to kill another motorist

And that is bad due to humans in the end, unless you have evidence that cars can be bad?

 

[Copernicus]

Cars don't have legal status as citizens, who are supposed to be treated equally and fairly by the government.

Wrong, cars do have legal status and their scrutiny is far more complex than citizens. If the nuts bolts and wiring is defective on a car it is illegal to drive it because it is a danger to not only the driver but anyone nearby

That is hilarious. You don't read the posts that you are replying to and quoting, do you? You appear to be saying that cars have legal status as citizens. And people born with intersex traits are not a danger to themselves or others because of their condition. It may cause you anguish to think that one is sitting in the neighboring toilet stall, but the injury caused is hardly going to send you to the hospital. Maybe you think that cars manufactured in foreign countries shouldn't be parked in the same garages as those manufactured in other countries, but I doubt that it really harms anyone to mix them together.

If they have mental or physical conditions that separate them from the norm, that shouldn't matter. That's why we care.

There are laws against treating people with mental and physical conditions unfairly. Your argument fails

Again, your reading comprehension could use some repair work. I had just said that people should be treated equally and fairly, which you criticized. Then I said that those conditions shouldn't matter. IOW, people with special mental and physical conditions ought to be treated fairly. You responded by telling me that there are laws in place to ensure that they are treated fairly. Well, duh! That's why there are such laws. Because my argument doesn't fail.

People are not equivalent to cars in the eyes of the law. And for that reason, citizens--i.e. people--have far more complex legal scrutiny than automobiles.

 

[Kfox]

That is hilarious. You don't read the posts that you are replying to and quoting, do you? You appear to be saying that cars have legal status as citizens.

No. I’m saying cars have a legal status as cars. If your car has a broken tail light, a smashed windshield preventing the driver from seeing, blowing out too much smoke, the cops will pull you over and give you a “fix-it” ticket, because it is illegal to drive a car on the road in that condition

And people born with intersex traits are not a danger to themselves or others because of their condition.

This conversation has nothing to do with intersex people, it is about how I know that I am a biological male.

Again, your reading comprehension could use some repair work. I had just said that people should be treated equally and fairly, which you criticized. Then I said that those conditions shouldn't matter. IOW, people with special mental and physical conditions ought to be treated fairly. You responded by telling me that there are laws in place to ensure that they are treated fairly. Well, duh! That's why there are such laws. Because my argument doesn't fail.

Your argument does not address the conversation. He asked me how do I know I am XY instead of XYY, or something else. My response is who cares! The fact that intersex people should be treated fairly has nothing to do with any of this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you car is low on oil, that won't cause you to kill another motorist. If your wheel falls off, or the brakes don't work, that can cause you to kill another motorist

Actually engine failure in certain conditions can be a potential hazard to other motorists. Much like how a tire coming off is a hazard on the freeway, bjt probably won't threaten anyone on a remote country road.

 

[We Never Know]

Actually engine failure in certain conditions can be a potential hazard to other motorists. Much like how a tire coming off is a hazard on the freeway, bjt probably won't threaten anyone on a remote country road.

How did the topic go from gender to car failure lol

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How did the topic go from gender to car failure lol

Because somehow it got on cars having legal status. But if you bust your cars windshield nothing will happen like it it will if you bust up your neighbors face, so I don't really knkw how it got to that.

 

[Copernicus]

No. I’m saying cars have a legal status as cars. If your car has a broken tail light, a smashed windshield preventing the driver from seeing, blowing out too much smoke, the cops will pull you over and give you a “fix-it” ticket, because it is illegal to drive a car on the road in that condition

But you were responding to my post, in which I was trying to explain to you why we care. You said I was wrong, so you clearly thought my remark relevant to your claim at the time. You just ignored parts of what I said.

This conversation has nothing to do with intersex people, it is about how I know that I am a biological male.

IOW, not intersex. Which does actually have something to do with intersex people, some of whom are neither fully male or female in the sense that you mean.

Your argument does not address the conversation. He asked me how do I know I am XY instead of XYY, or something else. My response is who cares! The fact that intersex people should be treated fairly has nothing to do with any of this.

That comment was made in the context of a thread that is heavily into the discussion of how to define males and females and whether chromosomes have anything to do with how one defines the concepts.

 

[Kfox]

But you were responding to my post, in which I was trying to explain to you why we care. You said I was wrong, so you clearly thought my remark relevant to your claim at the time. You just ignored parts of what I said.

You obviously misunderstood the question. When I said “who cares”? I was asking who cares if my chromosomes are XY or XYY. You responded by talking about why we care about cars.

IOW, not intersex. Which does actually have something to do with intersex people, some of whom are neither fully male or female in the sense that you mean.

The question is about ME not other people.

That comment was made in the context of a thread that is heavily into the discussion of how to define males and females and whether chromosomes have anything to do with how one defines the concepts.

True. But that particular question is about how do I know I am who I say I am. To that I still reply; WHO CARES??? (Please don't answer by talking about cars)

 

[fantome profane]

How did the topic go from gender to car failure lol

Because people like to argue the metaphor instead of the point the metaphor is trying to make.

 

[Copernicus]

You obviously misunderstood the question. When I said “who cares”? I was asking who cares if my chromosomes are XY or XYY. You responded by talking about why we care about cars.

Not even close, but you are right about one thing. I have ceased to care.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How did the topic go from gender to car failure lol

It is simple. Cars are the same as humans, because all conditions for how a car works as a car is objective and the same as for humans. In fact cars are more complex that humans and once you understand that, I know how cars work, I know how humans work.

 

[metis]

Do you inspect every nut, bolt, and cable of a car before driving it? Do you check the pilot’s credentials before getting on a plane? Just because I haven’t covered every single base does not mean I’ve covered no bases at all. No my friend, my belief is not blind at all

The above is called "false equivalency".

 

[Kfox]

The above is called "false equivalency".

I disagree. My point was; just as I don't check every nut and bolt on a car to make sure it's safe before driving, I don't check my DNA and sex Chromosomes to make sure I am who I say I am.

 

[SkepticThinker]

With a hundred different genders out there, how am I supposed to know which gender? I find it easier to address people according to what I perceive their biology to be.

But you're not. As you've just demonstrated, you are addressing people by their gender.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I disagree. My point was; just as I don't check every nut and bolt on a car to make sure it's safe before driving, I don't check my DNA and sex Chromosomes to make sure I am who I say I am.

But you seem to want to judge others' gender based on their DNA and chromosomes to make sure they are who they say they are.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But you seem to want to judge others' gender based on their DNA and chromosomes to make sure they are who they say they are.

That's usually how it goes with those sorts.

 

[Kfox]

But you're not. As you've just demonstrated, you are addressing people by their gender.

Do you know the difference between addressing someone according to their gender vs their sexual biology? Do you understand the difference?

But you seem to want to judge others' gender based on their DNA and chromosomes to make sure they are who they say they are

No I wasn't judging anybody, I was addressing them according to what I assume their DNA and chromosomes are.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you know the difference between addressing someone according to their gender vs their sexual biology? Do you understand the difference?

I'm starting to wonder if you do.

No I wasn't judging anybody, I was addressing them according to what I assume their DNA and chromosomes are.

Which is what I said. But you're not actually judging anyone that way, since you're not actually checking their genitals, DNA and chromosomes (heck, you don't even know your own biological makeup!) upon meeting them. Rather, you're judging them by their outward appearance; by how they present themselves; by their gender.

 

[Kfox]

I'm starting to wonder if you do.

For me there is no difference, but for you there is a difference; so as far as you are concerned, I address people according to their biology, not their gender.

Which is what I said.

No, you said judging; not addressing.

But you're not actually judging anyone that way, since you're not actually checking their genitals, DNA and chromosomes (heck, you don't even know your own biological makeup!) upon meeting them. Rather, you're judging them by their outward appearance; by how they present themselves; by their gender.

I address people according to how they appear. Gender is not always about how a person appears. If a person looks like a male, but identifies as female, I address them as male because that is how they appear.