Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[Orbit]

Wrong. Gender is make-believe; biology is real. I go by what is real. With 100 different genders, I can’t look at somebody and tell if they are Aporagender, Bigender, or any of the countless other genders people dream up; maybe you can but I can’t. But I can look at them and tell with pretty good success if they are male of female.
Again; when I refer to somebody as he or she, I am referring to their biology; not their gender. I do this with all mammals be it my dog, a cat, or human.

Gender is very real. People have been killed over gender. Gender refers to the social expectations that a culture attaches to biological sex. The idea of what is appropriate appearance and behavior for a man or women is "gender".

 

[Kfox]

Gender is very real.

No it’s a social construct. That means it’s the result of your thoughts.

People have been killed over gender.

Lots of people have been killed over figments of some very wild imaginations.

Gender refers to the social expectations that a culture attaches to biological sex.

Which varies from person to person. Why? Because it’s the result of whats going inside of your head. If it only exist inside of your head, it is not real.

The idea of what is appropriate appearance and behavior for a man or women is "gender".

Again; what is appropriate varies from person to person.

 

[Orbit]

No it’s a social construct. That means it’s the result of your thoughts.

Lots of people have been killed over figments of some very wild imaginations.

Which varies from person to person. Why? Because it’s the result of whats going inside of your head. If it only exist inside of your head, it is not real.

Again; what is appropriate varies from person to person.

Lots of things are social constructs; it doesn't mean they don't have real-world effects or consequences. Ideas of gender come from a society, from the culture you are raised in-- saying that varies person to person is overlooking the powerful group origin of the customs that define gender. Example: gender norms in the USA say that it is inappropriate for men to wear dresses-- that doesn't vary person to person, it's cultural.

 

[Kfox]

Lots of things are social constructs; it doesn't mean they don't have real-world effects or consequences. Ideas of gender come from a society, from the culture you are raised in-- saying that varies person to person is overlooking the powerful group origin of the customs that define gender. Example: gender norms in the USA say that it is inappropriate for men to wear dresses-- that doesn't vary person to person, it's cultural.

Where is it written that it is inappropriate for men to wear dresses?

 

[Orbit]

Where is it written that it is inappropriate for men to wear dresses?

Go outside in a dress.

 

[Kfox]

Go outside in a dress.

There are guys who wear skirts for all sorts of reasons. There are cultures where guys wear Kilts, or sometimes gay guys wear dresses and skirts. But the only thing telling you it is inappropriate for men to wear skirts and dresses is only something that is going on inside of your head.

 

[Orbit]

There are guys who wear skirts for all sorts of reasons. There are cultures where guys wear Kilts, or sometimes gay guys wear dresses and skirts. But the only thing telling you it is inappropriate for men to wear skirts and dresses is only something that is going on inside of your head.

That is not reflective of reality. Put on a dress and go about your day. Report back what you experience.

 

[Kfox]

That is not reflective of reality. Put on a dress and go about your day. Report back what you experience.

Why? What point are you trying to make by having me do this?

 

[Orbit]

Why? What point are you trying to make by having me do this?

So you can see what happens. So you can experience the power of social norms for yourself. So you can see that the social construction of gender has real world consequences that are outside of your head. I hope you don’t get beat up, though that is a possibility. If you think culture is just inside your head, why are you reluctant to do it?

 

[Kfox]

So you can see what happens. So you can experience the power of social norms for yourself. So you can see that the social construction of gender has real world consequences that are outside of your head. I hope you don’t get beat up, though that is a possibility. If you think culture is just inside your head, why are you reluctant to do it?

Where I live guys who wear dresses and skirts do not get attacked. But even if they did, all it means is the criminal is acting on what is going on inside of his head.

 

[Orbit]

Where I live guys who wear dresses and skirts do not get attacked. But even if they did, all it means is the criminal is acting on what is going on inside of his head.

Then do it. Wear a dress to the grocery store. Why should you believe me? Test it for yourself.

 

[Kfox]

Then do it. Wear a dress to the grocery store. Why should you believe me?

I don't believe you

Test it for yourself.

No need, I've seen what happens to men in my city who wear dresses....NOTHING!!!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Where is it written that it is inappropriate for men to wear dresses?

This falls under what we call norms, mores and taboos. They usually aren't written but everyone knows them. In this case, it's the taboos against a man wearing women's clothing.

 

[Kfox]

This falls under what we call norms, mores and taboos. They usually aren't written but everyone knows them. In this case, it's the taboos against a man wearing women's clothing.

But it's all subjective. All of these rules, norms, and taboos you mention are based on what goes on inside of your head; none of it objective.

 

[Orbit]

But it's all subjective. All of these rules, norms, and taboos you mention are based on what goes on inside of your head; none of it objective.

Try wearing a dress is the men's bathroom and you'll see how objective it is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

He/She are references to biological sex for all mammals; humans included.

Unless we're talking about spotted hyenas, colobus monkeys, lions, or any other number of mammals that have been observed displaying traits of both sexes. Or humans. It's almost like biology is messy, as I have been saying all along.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh; so you know better than I know what is going on inside of my head now? I don’t think so.

It's not a matter of what is going on inside your head. And let's face it, you've told us what is going on inside your head. And what you describe is a judgment based on GENDER.

Gender is make-believe; biology is real. I go by what is real. With 100 different genders, I can’t look at somebody and tell if they are Aporagender, Bigender, or any of the countless other genders people dream up; maybe you can but I can’t. But I can look at them and tell with pretty good success if they are male of female.

Gender is real and has been for a long time. Your ignorance of the subject matter is irrelevant to that.

Let me repeat so you understand, when I refer to somebody as he or she, I am referring to their biology; not their gender. I do this with all mammals be it my dog, a cat, or human

You have been very clear, and in doing so you have repeatedly demonstrated that you are referring to people based upon their gender, as you are not inspecting genitals, DNA, chromosomes, etc. upon meeting people.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No it’s a social construct. That means it’s the result of your thoughts.

Just like economics, family, ethnicity, education, intelligence and a ton of other things. Are you willing to say those things don't exist because they are a "result of our thoughts?"

Lots of people have been killed over figments of some very wild imaginations.

And about real things as well. Like gender.

Which varies from person to person. Why? Because it’s the result of whats going inside of your head. If it only exist inside of your head, it is not real.

Oh okay, so my panic attacks aren't real. Thanks for pointing that out to me!

Again; what is appropriate varies from person to person.

The point there was "the idea of what is appropriate appearance and behavior for a man or women is "gender".

 

[SkepticThinker]

There are guys who wear skirts for all sorts of reasons. There are cultures where guys wear Kilts, or sometimes gay guys wear dresses and skirts. But the only thing telling you it is inappropriate for men to wear skirts and dresses is only something that is going on inside of your head.

No, the things telling you it is inappropriate for men to wear skirts and dresses don't just exist "inside your head." These things are called social\cultural norms. The same social/cultural norms that told women that they had to cover up their ankles or face social consequences for exposing them. That doesn't just exist inside someone's head.
Try taking an anthropology class or something.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But it's all subjective. All of these rules, norms, and taboos you mention are based on what goes on inside of your head; none of it objective.

You seriously need to take an anthropology and sociology class or two, if you think all this stuff just exists inside minds.