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[We Never Know]

The conservative version of patriotism is shallow and superficial and has nothing to do with the actual virtues and values that (are supposed to) define this nation: rights, freedom, equality, justice, etc.

They engage in flag idolatry while loathing everything that the flag is supposed to stand for.

Flag burners...They engage in flag burning while screaming they deserve everything that the flag is supposed to stand for.

 

[Father Heathen]

To be fair, I've seen conservatives who believe in "live and let live" and don't believe patriotism means blind loyalty either. They just seem to be mostly drowned out by the loud and hateful extremists nowadays.

I understand that there are exceptions to the rule, so my apologies to all five of them if they felt slighted.

 

[F1fan]

Flag burners...They engage in flag burning while screaming they deserve everything that the flag is supposed to stand for.

Do they not deserve it? How many groups have had to fight for the equal status that whites take for granted? Burning a flag is protected free speech.

 

[We Never Know]

Do they not deserve it? How many groups have had to fight for the equal status that whites take for granted? Burning a flag is protected free speech.

Burning the flag is not showing they deserve what it stands for IMO

 

[Father Heathen]

Flag burners...They engage in flag burning while screaming they deserve everything that the flag is supposed to stand for.

It's protected by the 1st amendment,
so by burning the flag they're exercising their freedom of expression.
That makes them far more patriotic than the freedom haters who want to ban it.

Also, the butthurt that results from it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

 

[We Never Know]

It's protected by the 1st amendment,
so by burning the flag they're exercising their freedom of expression.
That makes them far more patriotic than the freedom haters who want to ban it.

Also, the butthurt that results from it gives a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Idiots that burn the flag don't deserve much IMO.
And their idiocy clearly shows what they think of the flag and what it stands for.

 

[F1fan]

Burning the flag is not showing they deserve what it stands for IMO

So exercizing freedom means some citizens can be denied liberties, in your view? If not, then how does your quote above mean anything, except that your feelings get hurt when you see a flag burn (but not citizens being denied rights)? Let's see where your values line up.

 

[We Never Know]

So exercizing freedom means some citizens can be denied liberties, in your view? If not, then how does your quote above mean anything, except that your feelings get hurt when you see a flag burn (but not citizens being denied rights)? Let's see where your values line up.

That flag they burn is the reason they have freedoms.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So exercizing freedom means some citizens can be denied liberties, in your view? If not, then how does your quote above mean anything, except that your feelings get hurt when you see a flag burn (but not citizens being denied rights)? Let's see where your values line up.

It's my understanding that free speech is more about safeguarding speech that we disagree with than protecting speech that we like and support.

 

[Father Heathen]

Idiots that burn the flag don't deserve much IMO.
And their idiocy clearly shows what they think of the flag and what it stands for.

Okay. But it's an inanimate object, and if it's their property then they can do whatever they want with it.
Besides, according to conservatives, feelings don't matter and only snowflakes get offended.

 

[fantome profane]

That flag they burn is the reason they have freedoms.

Including the freedom to burn the flag.

 

[We Never Know]

Including the freedom to burn the flag.

True.
Its kind of like biting the hand that feeds you.

 

[Father Heathen]

That flag they burn is the reason they have freedoms.

And Sourdough Sam is the reason the 49ers won the Superbowl.

 

[Father Heathen]

True.
Its kind of like biting the hand that feeds you.

It's a piece of cloth. The only damage done is to delicate fee-fees.

 

[The Hammer]

Flag burners...They engage in flag burning while screaming they deserve everything that the flag is supposed to stand for.

So what? It's a piece of cloth. Who cares?

... Well, obviously you.

 

[The Hammer]

That flag they burn is the reason they have freedoms.

Seriously?

I didn't fight for the ****ing flag. Not once in my decade of service.

 

[Kfox]

I'm not a member. I can't explain what their members do. I don't support violence. All my comments reflected was the broad attitudes of Antifa versus white supremacists and the far right. If there is going to be riots I would rather see property damaged rather than people hurt. The far right extremists exist to hurt people. That is all they stand for.

That’s what Antifa stands for also

They have no redeeming attitudes that aim to progress society.

Neither does Antifa

As noted many Antifa members have been violent, but their violence typically targets far right extremists.

Then how come they never seem to target far right extremists, but always seem to target progressive liberal cities?

Feel free to make a list. As it is the right is far worse at this in recent years. Do you really want to compare the two, side by side? The right has a former president facing multiple indictments for crimes against the USA, and many republicans support him.

His crimes are for stupid stuff he did; not bigotry and prejudice.

The extreme on the right includes political leaders, but not on the left. You don't see anyone aligned and defending the Antifa members for their violence.

They don’t defend specific violent members, but there were plenty who justified the violence. When they attacked the police station, boarded up the doors and windows and attempted to set the building on fire with officers inside, there were actually politicians attempting to justify those terrorists.

And you cite college campuses and protests? I am aware of some of the extreme and controversial events that colleges have cancelled,

What have Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, or Jordan Peterson said that was extreme and controversial?

and to my memory these were cancelled due to the security problem rampant in far right extremism.

No it was due to the behavior of the fringe left.

Feel free to cite specific examples and how colleges were wrong to cancel events. Your broad brush victimization is not sufficient.

DePaul University Drops Conservative Pundit For Security Reasons

DePaul University cancelled an event for Ben Shapiro to address students and said he will not be allowed to step foot on campus due to security concerns.

freebeacon.com

 

[Kfox]

How do you know Antifa was involved? Find better sources other than conservative opinion media with an agenda.

There were people holding a sign saying Antifa. What kinda evidence are you looking for?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Okay. But it's an inanimate object, and if it's their property then they can do whatever they want with it.
Besides, according to conservatives, feelings don't matter and only snowflakes get offended.

Personally speaking, as a former conservative, I think that conservatives generally put too much emphasis on the American flag and don't truly respect it as much as they claim they do. For example, here are a few examples of how they consistently violate the Standards of respect listed in the US Flag Code.

• The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery", or for covering a speaker's desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general (exception for coffins). Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
• The flag should never be drawn back or bunched up in any way.
• The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
• The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.
• The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations.
• The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train, or boat.

Read the entire list of the advisory rules for the display and care of the American flag here.

Despite their own personal disrespect for the American flag (which includes wearing clothing with the flag imprinted on it or owning other material items imprinted with the flag and/or attaching the flag to their vehicle so that it is battered by the wind), they complain about other people disrespecting the American flag by burning it as an impression of free speech. I don't believe these conservatives are morally consistent in their desire to revere the flag.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

That flag they burn is the reason they have freedoms.

That is not entirely correct. The men and women (such as those who serve in the military) who have placed their lives on the line (and even died) to secure and safeguard our rights as American citizens are the reason we have freedom and liberty in America. The American flag is merely a representation of our freedom and liberty. The Supreme Court has ruled that burning the American flag is a form of free speech protected under the First Amendment. So, while I would never burn the flag, I do support other Americans' constitutional right to freedom of speech by burning the flag to make a political statement.