Student's At It Again.

[Revoltingest]

Next thing you know they'll change US money and put, "In God We Trust" on it.

I'm old fashioned.
I want to return to our original motto, which can be found on the Fugio cent....

The motto, "In God We Trust" was another travesty imposed by SJWs.

 

[Revoltingest]

I find both of these statements mistaken and the logic flawed and the arguments easily disputable. Here is more or less why I feel and think that way.
one we don't owe history or the past anything. Two the idea that changing a seal in know way defaces the history. The school and its prestige is a testament to that history. Three history is important for learning from not hold on to. Four Schools are a place of business whose customer is the students. The customer is always right. Students might seek different place to go if the school no loner represents them or there interest. Five this seal also reflects and represents the students who go and especially graduate there. Six and this one is important, this is not about protecting history(knowledge) but about protecting nostalgia(how it makes some one feel). Seven institutions as much as people need to change to grow and survive. Eight 100 years from now will have new heroes and stories to remember. Nine adapting to the present does not mean forgetting the past. 10 change happens get over it.

You're just giving your personal preferences & opinions, which differ from mine.
Neither of us is mistaken or flawed in logic.

"Logic" is such a mis-used & over-used word.

 

[Quetzal]

By "hyper-sensitive SJW", I'd include school officials who go along.

Really? So now anyone who might agree is a bad guy?

Who actually looks at such a symbol, & thinks, "Oh, no! It's advocating brutal slavery!"?
I'll wager that some history geek had to research the matter in order to become highly offended.

You yourself agreed with me when I said substance is the most important thing. What is the substance of that symbol? What is the story behind it? That is important.

I'm not whining.
(After all, it's not my alma mater, so I've no dog in this fight.)
(Btw, I oppose dog fighting.)
I'm chortling.
There's a huge difference.

I am just becoming increasingly frustrated because there is a group of people who hold themselves higher than others and refuse to give credit to anyone under the age of 30. As if a college student is incapable of creating a good idea. It is always "whining" "entitlement" "hyper sensitivity". Why can't it simply be a cause that is important to them and leave it at that? Why can't it be a simple difference of opinion and a reflection of said opinion?

 

[Revoltingest]

Really? So now anyone who might agree is a bad guy?

I don't see any bad guys.
Just people taking different sides.

You yourself agreed with me when I said substance is the most important thing. What is the substance of that symbol? What is the story behind it? That is important.

The symbol doesn't really signify that the school favors slavery.
Looking at it, it means nothing to me.
One would have to research its history to discover the sins of the family behind it.

I wonder what the history of the name "Harvard" is?
What evils might lurk in its origins?

I am just becoming increasingly frustrated because there is a group of people who hold themselves higher than others and refuse to give credit to anyone under the age of 30. As if, a college student is incapable of creating a good idea. It is always "whining" "entitlement" "hyper sensitivity". Why can't it simply be a cause that is important to them and leave it at that? Why can't it be a simple difference of opinion and a reflection of said opinion?

I'm in favor of the students fighting against what they see as wrong.
I just don't think they're entitled to always get their way.
If they win, & the school goes along, I'm OK with that.
I'd just prefer to keep the symbol & the controversy alive.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't get why people get so upset when someone wants to ditch something that has ties to slavery. Just because it happened doesn't mean we still have to display it, and still be tethered to the past by things that anchor us to it. It's time to move on, step away from the past, and live in the here-and-now. The "master" part seems odd, but it's a word that is loaded with many philosophical shortcomings and traps (can anyone honestly say they have truly mastered anything?).

The motto, "In God We Trust" was another travesty imposed by SJWs.

Actually, it was imposed on us by Christians after the second Great Awakening, which occurred around the time of the Civil War and after. "SJWs" had nothing to do with it, but it was the doing of the Church.

 

[Quetzal]

The symbol doesn't really signify that the school favors slavery.

Adopting a symbol that represents a family that did in the fashion that was described isn't any better.

I'm in favor of the students fighting against what they see as wrong.
I just don't think they're entitled to always get their way.

Neither are you but here you are belittling them because you didn't get yours. (Or, rather, the outcome did not align with what you think.)

I'd just prefer to keep the symbol & the controversy alive.

There is no controversy that slavery is bad. So why are you stuck on this outcome?

 

[Iti oj]

You're just giving your personal preferences & opinions, which differ from mine.
Neither of us is mistaken or flawed in logic.

"Logic" is such a mis-used & over-used word.

If I replace logic with reasoning my points will no longer be easily dismissible. As far as saying its my personal opinion i admitted that this what i think and feel. Not all of my points were opinion or wholly opinion. Schools are business and students are customers. The school and its prestige and the prestige of those who graduated from it are indeed that schools history. Change and adaptation are needed for survival. It does in fact represent the students and alumni. Change is also a fact of life. Those are all facts not opinions.

In another post you said more or less that the racist symbolism was obscure, i would say that the history and the seals its self is just as obscure and likely not noticed or even thought about. All the more reason why changing it is not a big deal.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, it was imposed on us by Christians after the second Great Awakening, which occurred around the time of the Civil War and after. "SJWs" had nothing to do with it, but it was the doing of the Church.

I consider fundies who place so much importance on a slogan that they'd demand it on all money to be "SJWs".
(But this statement is also for mirth, since such fundies wouldn't view themselves as such.)

 

[Sunstone]

Well it seems that the students are at it again and this time it is at Harvard Law School. Seems that a seal includes the crest of a notoriously brutal 18th Century slave owner and the students want it changed. It also seem the school will no longer use the term "master" in academic titles, because of connotations of slavery. So what next you brain-dead idiots, remove any word that you find offensive? Poor little rich kids, your mommy not teach you there is a real world out there.

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-35726878

Jeebers, Esmith! What did those students do to you personally to cause you to talk about them like a classy, dignified Republican presidential candidate in a public debate talks about his opponents -- when he's not talking about his penis, or eating his own boogers, that is?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

I'm old fashioned.
I want to return to our original motto, which can be found on the Fugio cent....

The motto, "In God We Trust" was another travesty imposed by SJWs.

Haha that's amazing, is that real?! What a great motto.

 

[Revoltingest]

Adopting a symbol that represents a family that did in the fashion that was described isn't any better.
Neither are you but here you are belittling them because you didn't get yours. (Or, rather, the outcome did not align with what you think.)

I don't belittle them for the reason you state.
I'm doing it because I think they're being silly in their over-reaction to the symbol.

There is no controversy that slavery is bad. So why are you stuck on this outcome?

Hey, why am I the one "stuck on" it, when I'm just responding to your posts?
Perhaps you think I'm fervent about the issue.
I'm not.
I don't care much at all....except to opine about my preference.

 

[McBell]

I long for the day when children do not have to wait until they are out in the real world to learn that second place is the first loser.

 

[Quetzal]

I don't belittle them for the reason you state.
I'm doing it because I think they're being silly in their over-reaction to the symbol.

I don't understand why you can't see the hypocrisy. Why are they "entitled SJW's" and you are the voice the reason? When you whine it isn't "whining" but when they voice their concern over an issue, it is?

 

[Iti oj]

I don't belittle them for the reason you state.
I'm doing it because I think they're being silly in their over-reaction to the symbol.

Hey, why am I the one "stuck on" it, when I'm just responding to your posts?
Perhaps you think I'm fervent about the issue.
I'm not.
I don't care much at all....except to opine about my preference.

if they are overreacting then your defense of the symbol and conviction to not changing it is equally if not even more so an over-reaction.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't understand why you can't see the hypocrisy.

Because there is none.

Why are they "entitled SJW's" and you are the voice the reason? When you whine it isn't "whining" but when they voice their concern over an issue, it is?

I don't claim to be "the voice the [sic] reason".
I'm just opining.

Also, it's impolite to accuse someone of "whining" just because we have different opinions.
If you keep this up, then I'll call you a "whining poopy head".
Yes, I'm willing to go nuclear.

 

[Quetzal]

Because there is none.

I don't claim to be "the voice the [sic] reason".
I'm just opining.

Also, it's impolite to accuse someone of "whining" just because we have different opinions.
If you keep this up, then I'll call you a "whining poopy head".
Yes, I'm willing to go nuclear.

Hmm, I think our positions have been muddled by mud slinging. Apologies for that. Agree to disagree?

 

[Revoltingest]

if they are overreacting then your defense of the symbol and conviction to not changing it is equally if not even more so an over-reaction.

No, I'm barely reacting by advocating the lazy approach, ie, change nothing.
It's the least amount of effort, which is appropriate for a symbol which had
no offensive meaning until someone proclaimed it so.
Btw, aren't you over-reacting to a perceived over-reaction to an over-reaction?

 

[Revoltingest]

Hmm, I think our positions have been muddled by mud slinging. Apologies for that. Agree to disagree?

I'm doing me darndest to disagree.....except about disagreeing....on that we agree (to disagree).
We be good!

 

[Kori]

I say make a Shrine dedicated the offensive past so we never forget and never do it again. @esmith what's wrong? Do you embrace this ugly past? What is wrong with discarding a evil relic? I think you live in the fantasy world that the USO has done no wrong and can never do any wrong. And this action taken by the students is forcing harsh reality onto you. What is it? Please be clear about your ideas since you did not in the first post. The USO does wrong all the time.

 

[metis]

Well it seems that the students are at it again and this time it is at Harvard Law School. Seems that a seal includes the crest of a notoriously brutal 18th Century slave owner and the students want it changed. It also seem the school will no longer use the term "master" in academic titles, because of connotations of slavery. So what next you brain-dead idiots, remove any word that you find offensive? Poor little rich kids, your mommy not teach you there is a real world out there.

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-35726878

So, Harvard should allow you to dictate what their policies should be? How about if it were to be the other way around, namely Harvard officially announcing you have to abandon being a Republican because Republicans are "brain dead idiots"? So, didn't "your mommy not teach you there is a real world out there"?