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Student's At It Again.

Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Sultan Of Swing said:
Defacing the past is unwise, they serve as reminders of our history, whether they be mistakes, right or wrong, good or evil. Who knows what modern figures might be removed from public places 100 years from now.
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Agree.

The problem with removing the reminders of the dark times of the past is that in 20-30 years, kids growing up will have this illusion of that we never did anything wrong. If we don't teach the kids of the things that we did wrong in the past, they're more likely to repeat our mistakes one way or another. It's through the mistakes we learn, and by remembering them, we have a better chance of not making the same ones.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Altfish said:
If they change the crest it does not deface the past, it brings the college into the 21st century. There will still be plenty of evidence that it once existed.
Even the first outraged poster described the crest as belonging to "...a notoriously brutal 18th Century slave owner..", perhaps it is time to put forward a more positive image.
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I can understand their desire to sanitize their image.
But I like having their link with brutal racism being so prominent.
(It'll take those snooty east coast college boys down a notch or two.)
Do you think they'll consider my opinion in their decision?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ouroboros said:
The problem with removing the reminders of the dark times of the past is that in 20-30 years, kids growing up will have this illusion of that we never did anything wrong. If we don't teach the kids of the things that we did wrong in the past, they're more likely to repeat our mistakes one way or another. It's through the mistakes we learn, and by remembering them, we have a better chance of not making the same ones.
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In collecting & displaying antique machinery, I stress the historical significance of failure.
Successes can only be fully understood by appreciating the many previous attempts & problems.
Manufacturing has lots'o drama......women working outside the home/farm....child labor.....slavery....imprisonment after financial misdeeds....maiming & death....etc.
Museums focus too much on successful people & things.
Failure & evil are just as important.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Altfish said:
If they change the crest it does not deface the past, it brings the college into the 21st century. There will still be plenty of evidence that it once existed.
Even the first outraged poster described the crest as belonging to "...a notoriously brutal 18th Century slave owner..", perhaps it is time to put forward a more positive image.
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What did the slave owner do that warranted the crest in the first place?
 
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Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
It's not Arabs, but anyone who even remotely kinda looks Middle Eastern or kinda looks Muslim. When it comes to hatred, Americans tend to use a "shotgun of hatred" and not care if they people they attack are even really the ones they are trying to attack (such as the massacre at a Sikh temple).
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metis said:
I've heard it several times, but not in the last few years.
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Kinda doesn't make sense really.

Oh well, with sweet people like you, I know the world still good in it :)
 
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ahamtatsat

The Stranger
esmith said:
Well it seems that the students are at it again and this time it is at Harvard Law School. Seems that a seal includes the crest of a notoriously brutal 18th Century slave owner and the students want it changed. It also seem the school will no longer use the term "master" in academic titles, because of connotations of slavery. So what next you brain-dead idiots, remove any word that you find offensive? Poor little rich kids, your mommy not teach you there is a real world out there.

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-35726878
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Don't care about the seal's person. Everyone has dark corners - what did this person do that put him there in the first place? Did he fight for liberty? What?

As for calling people master - i say forget that except in martial arts. Nobody should be anyone's master. The original 13th amendment to the constitution forbid the public offices be held by lawyers because to be a member of a BAR means you are of the British Accredited Registry - which makes you a foreing agent of the Queen. It also forbade anyone holding office to be exempt from the same laws that the general public was - no DAs or Judges who are immune from prosecution, no Congress opting out of O-bomb-ya-"care" and forcing you into it....

i have no-one subservient to me. i am subservient to no-one. i am a human being - not a "person". (From latin "persona" or mask - the legal term for the fictitious "YOU" stuck on your humanity w/your birth certificate, voting, serving on jury duty, paying taxes - all sorts of false compliance and permission to be under contract with a fraudulent government.)
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
esmith said:
It's a wonder they even leave their domicile or even get out of bed.
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I know.
In the larger world, there are so many disturbing triggers, exposures
to illiberal ideas, & the risk of encountering privileged white males.
They need their safe spaces...to be ensconced in a cocoon of caring.
Should these threats be allowed to exist even off campus?
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
We have "Trump" chalked on the sidewalks here at the University of California Santa Barbara too, but those are all followed by ". . .is a *bleep*".
 
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