Suicide ??

[dfnj]

What the **** does that have to do with global suicide rates?

I read the studies on this years ago how poverty increases suicide rates. It's out in the google Universe. I don't feel compelled to defend what I've said.

I'm okay with whatever reason you think people commit suicide for.

 

[Quintessence]

A qualifying source please

I don't know what you mean by a "qualifying" source. It's the New York Times. The national paper of record. That in the article I linked to references back to the CDC research that has the hard data used to measure the trends.

 

[dfnj]

A qualifying source please

Yeah, because if it's not from Fox News it's obviously fake news.

 

[Stanyon]

Why do you believe that is the cause? As someone who has been suicidal, I'd argue that the trends might be tied more into quality of life for the general populace. At least in the USA, that has been unforgiving lately. The rest of the world can speak for itself, since I haven't lived anywhere else.

Suicide rates in Asia and Eastern Europe seem to be much higher than in the west.

 

[Jesster]

Suicide rates in Asia and Eastern Europe seem to be much higher than in the west.

Good to know. I can't speak to the reasoning behind it there. I can look at reports and statistics, but I'm not from there. I only know what I've seen here.

 

[WalterTrull]

People in their early 60s become too depressed by the prospects of becoming old with unbearable pain so they take the easy way out.

Got it. Mid 70's here. NOT Golden Years. Not suicidal though. We'll see, I guess.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

It's a proven fact poverty kills more Americans every year than every act of terrorism ever committed.

That's the diet.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I don't know what you mean by a "qualifying" source. It's the New York Times. The national paper of record. That in the article I linked to references back to the CDC research that has the hard data used to measure the trends.

Not a qualifying source. The national paper means nothing. And I need more numbers still.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Suicide rates in Asia and Eastern Europe seem to be much higher than in the west.

Asia and eastern Europe....than the West.

You draw the line fine, don't you.

You get double points for saying seem.

 

[David T]

Yes. The large population...in cities ...yes

I think it's a serous contributing aspect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not a qualifying source. The national paper means nothing. And I need more numbers still.

Statistics from the CDC are not "qualifying" and "mean nothing?"

 

[stvdv]

It's the ultimate in control isn't it?
When your life is out of control, or at least certain aspects of it, it's the one act of finality that takes back complete control.
Life is mostly out of our control. When the fear of this becomes overwhelming for a person suicide is the easy solution.

I get the feeling from your words, that you never were emotional that deep as to try to commit suicide

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Statistics from the CDC are not "qualifying" and "mean nothing?"

No and yes. I have never been an admirer of USA's position in anything health related.

 

[stvdv]

I wonder how many people on this thread have ever had suicidal ideations?

At least the ones who did not have them are easily seen here, according to their posts totally devoid of empathy, understanding and mercy.

 

[Nakosis]

I get the feeling from your words, that you never were emotional that deep as to try to commit suicide

Assuming you have, where am I wrong?

 

[stvdv]

Ah, but we must - we must! - take into account that suicide attempts are unsuccessful mostly because the person is not determined enough to die.
I know this is like the red cape to the bull but I've thought it through and I've stuck to it.

And what you want to state with this. IMO this has nothing to do with how serious the other is in emotional distress. Again lack of real understanding.

 

[stvdv]

Assuming you have, where am I wrong?

It's the ultimate in control isn't it?
When your life is out of control, or at least certain aspects of it, it's the one act of finality that takes back complete control.
Life is mostly out of our control. When the fear of this becomes overwhelming for a person suicide is the easy solution.

The word "easy" is wrong to start with. Lacking total understanding [=feeling, empathy] of what is going on in the other.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

At least the ones who did not have them are easily seen here, according to their posts totally devoid of empathy, understanding and mercy.

The ones lacking empathy are the most disturbing. A lack of knowledge and understanding is one thing, but the generalized statements that belittle those who have been or are suicidal are rather remarkable that someone has such a lack of concern for their fellow humans. And here I thought I was empathy impaired.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ah, but we must - we must! - take into account that suicide attempts are unsuccessful mostly because the person is not determined enough to die.

A lot of them are unsuccessful because the person chose a method that has a higher risk of failing, such as using a rifle or shotgun. And, yes, a good number of those who survived an attempt will state they realized they didn't want to die. But are you really going to question someone's determinedness to die when they tightened a noose around their own neck?

 

[Nakosis]

I'm speaking from my personal experiences in this country, the depression I've fought through, and the observation of trends I've witnessed from people going through the same around me. I can only observe where I live, which is why I'm not including other countries.

Do you think depression is something externally triggered or is it more seen as a chemical imbalance that has to be dealt with by drugs?