Suicide ??

[stvdv]

Futility, loneliness, meaninglessness, lack of self worth, and circumstances beyond ones control, or seemingly so. Arent the reasons obvious why people go over the edge.

Is it a societal problem, or a societal evil where only the successful people matter, and the ones slaving it out have to live desparate lives?

My father used to say if you dont work, you dont eat. How much suicide is related to work values? Is it societys fault that people end up poor or helpless? Is it societys fault that some people dont have any work values? Is it societys fault that some people are overburdened, and overworked? Or is it personal failure?

And should society provide opportunity as a right? Should everyone get treated with respect?

What do we do about people who fail in life? Failure is better then not making the effort. Right now theres a ton of people living in desparation, or even worse as victims of abuse.

All the reasons for suicide are out there, all one has to do is look.

Suicide is a terrible choice though! And society doesnt really address the issue at all.

I don't see suicide as bad. It's part of life. I do not judge people who [plan] commit suicide. Start taking judgment out. That would be a great start IMO.

My master told me "You are Love". I replied "I Feel no Love". He replied "Love your Feeling". And I screemed "I feel ****". Exactly "Love that Feeling"

 

[WalterTrull]

I screemed "I feel ****". Exactly "Love that Feeling"

Oh, Oh, I get to use my new found phrase "Goo-goo pated". How fun.

 

[Nakosis]

The word "easy" is still wrong. And the other line about feelings, empathy is completely wrong. Have to disappoint you again.

Feelings, empathy perfectly identify the causes. Being in tune with your feelings is the only way to get out. Because the cause of suicide is exactly that the person was denied his/her feelings at very young age. That's what it is all about with suicide. If you were denied your feelings, what is the use to live? Maybe there are other causes also, but this is a major one IMO.

First the one wanting to commit suicide needs to get back in contact with his feelings. Yes we have to love even the feeling that we feel sh*it, and accept the feeling "that we really want to commit suicide". When you are that far, then cure is possible.

Suppressing your feeling is like being a time-bomb. Any time in future it might go of.

I suspect you've focused too much on the word easy and have misunderstood my post.
Regards,

 

[Nakosis]

Empathy for someone is not about "winning the case". That is called debating. It's about feeling, compassion AND understanding how they feel. But if you have never been there, listening might be better than "thinking/wording what suicide is all about".

And she was not making the case for you. You still missed it.

I think you are off on a tangent here, but please bear in mind, you have no idea where I've been.

 

[stvdv]

I suspect you've focused too much on the word easy and have misunderstood my post.
Regards,

I did understand your post very well. And all the points were very good indeed.
Except that the feeling part is paramount for the person who is suicidal.
They were never allowed to feel IMO. So first they need to get in touch with feeling.
That is essential, so if you agree to that then your post is a winner IMO
Because all the other points you made were spot on.

 

[stvdv]

I think you are off on a tangent here, but please bear in mind, you have no idea where I've been.

You are right. I have no idea where you have been. And I was a little too forthcoming [not sure if that is the correct word]. Just for my information [english is not native language], what means "I was off on a tangent". If i make mistake i like to understand. Sorry for being too rude.

 

[sealchan]

One possible factor: American communities continue to become less and less communities. You can't turn to as many people for support today to get you through tough times as you could in the past. The feeling and conviction, "no body gives a damn", is most likely on the rise.

The de-personalization of social contact?

 

[osgart]

I don't see suicide as bad. It's part of life. I do not judge it, if people commit suicide. Start taking judgment out. That would be a great start IMO.

My master told me "You are Love". I replied "I Feel no Love". He replied "Love your Feeling". And I screemed "I feel ****". Exactly "Love that Feeling"

Yeah love those cruddy feelings. Give them all the attention they deserve or something. Lol. Somehow that makes sense.

 

[stvdv]

Yeah love those cruddy feelings. Give them all the attention they deserve or something. Lol.

Can you explain what you mean by this? Feels like irony. Just to be sure you don't take my words out of context and mis-read them

 

[osgart]

Can you explain what you mean by this? Feels like irony. Just to be sure you don't take my words out of context and mis-read them

Well love yourself is what it comes down to. Take it for what it is, and embrace it.

I laughed because of my experience with the worst feelings ive ever had, wasnt so loveable.

 

[robocop (actually)]

It's being reported that suicide rates are climbing rapidly. Causes? My hunch is that when we focus solely on ourselves, at some point we realize there's nothing substantially there. Life becomes pointless.

I heard 30% in the US in 18 years. I'm sorry that doesn't seem statistically significant to me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think what they meant is that she described the sort of thing they were trying to explain and that the
description and his point coincided.

Yes, but he still missed the point.

Well never get to the point of topic then...

In any case a lot of people killing themselves and attempted are crazy

No. They're typically sane, rational, logical people. But biology can sometimes be venomous, and people have their own to add to it.

I suspect you've focused too much on the word easy and have misunderstood my post.
Regards,

It's not just you. A lot of people go straight to the "easy way out." When you go through what you do to get up to that point, nothing has been easy. It's not control, it's an end.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A lot of people who kill themselves or attempt it are in a psychosis.

And yet so many more are not.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

And yet so many more are not.

And yet so many are. Wtf

 

[Sha'irullah]

I have suffered from depression for years since I was a wee lad and a lot of it I have blamed on the way we live. I feel constantly couped up in a city and long to go back to the source of my livelihood in the southern states. I crave every visit to Oklahoma and Mississippi were my own way of life is tolerable and appreciated. Being stuck in California causes a lot of stress and most of my ability to even think clearly gets clouded by my own inability to garden and lay in the grass. I am seriously stuck in a city that is becoming ever increasing a ghetto and a burden followed by another bigger city I personally call Hell but other call Los Angeles.

My fascination for suicide has long ended and my hatred for being doped on anti depressants is something I can go on for years to describe. They are absolutely a nightmare in of itself.

I am also at the moment going through stages of ensuring I do not become an alcoholic. I thank my fiancee and a close friend for this I should add.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And yet so many are. Wtf

The vast majority aren't. You won't find any credible sources to confirm that there are enough people who have attempted and completed suicides who are psychotic to focus on such a thing. It's no different than earlier posts denouncing those with suicidal ideation as illogical people.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

The vast majority aren't. You won't find any credible sources to confirm that there are enough people who have attempted and completed suicides who are psychotic to focus on such a thing. It's no different than earlier posts denouncing those with suicidal ideation as illogical people.

It's a different topic

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's a different topic

It's the same topic.

 

[ChristineM]

It's being reported that suicide rates are climbing rapidly. Causes? My hunch is that when we focus solely on ourselves, at some point we realize there's nothing substantially there. Life becomes pointless.

Take the reducing care for mental illness and the reality of depression increasing, is it surprising that suicide is increasing?

 

[Nakosis]

Yes, but he still missed the point.

No. They're typically sane, rational, logical people. But biology can sometimes be venomous, and people have their own to add to it.

It's not just you. A lot of people go straight to the "easy way out." When you go through what you do to get up to that point, nothing has been easy. It's not control, it's an end.

I respect that, but I've had my own issues with suicide. So was speaking from my own experience. Depression was never a factor for me. Obviously different people are going to be dealing with different issues. Which is why I'm fine with learning about this issue from different points of view.