Supporting Trump, now a religion?

[BSM1]

You are joking, right? If any administration can be credited with this low unemployment rate it would be the Obama administration.

How did I know that this was coming? Could you maybe explain your thinking?

 

[BSM1]

Thanks for the reminders. I couldn't think of a good example.

People who say Jesus was a communist, and that is the first time I have heard that, are the ones who dislike Christianity and try to make Jesus to be some kind of an immoral person.

I understnd people not accepting Christianity, I just don't understand their hostility towards it.

I have been bombarded with this argument when people have tried to justify commandeering wealth from those that may have righteously earned it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think anyone here claimed she was "perfect"......

That's not the point.
It's that her fans point to all the horrible things Trump will certainly have done,
& use this to prove we should've elected her. But since she lost, her supposed
superior record is entirely imagined, ie, she does no wrong because she does nothing.

....she would have protected the Democratic agenda, and to many of us that is very appealing.

You must understand that that agenda sucks for many others....
- Higher taxes
- More dysfunctional regulation
- More wars
- Bigger government
- Crony capitalism
To quote a favored poster here.....
I am not sure why the few of you are having such a hard time wrapping your mind around this simple concept.

 

[Stevicus]

Thanks for the reminders. I couldn't think of a good example.

People who say Jesus was a communist, and that is the first time I have heard that, are the ones who dislike Christianity and try to make Jesus to be some kind of an immoral person.

I understnd people not accepting Christianity, I just don't understand their hostility towards it.

There may be many reasons why people would have hostility towards Christianity, but I would not interpret those who say Jesus was a communist as being a sign of hostility or that Jesus was immoral (since they may not view communism as immoral).

Some of the hostility may be rooted in the common association between Bible Belt Christians and ultra-capitalist ideologues who incited various "Red Scares" and have embraced some obsessive crusade against communism. They themselves drew the battle lines and generated all the hostility that may be coming back at them. We're talking about people who see no problem with greed, exploitation, wars for profit, obscenely large gaps between rich and poor. We're talking about people who don't care how many have to die just so they can save an extra 5¢ per hour on labor costs. They hate communism because they hate the idea of having to actually be fair and decent human beings, since their religion ostensibly forbids them from doing that.

And you don't understand why some people might grow hostile at that?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

How did I know that this was coming? Could you maybe explain your thinking?

Trump has only been office for a little over three months and there is this thing know as the carry over effect. The carry over effect is basically that you need to allow sufficient time between observations to make sure the previous observation is not interfering with the current. However, you don't need a course in multi linear regression to understand Trump has a much more limited involvement than Obama had, just due to time in office, and if the administration in general can be said to have a correlation with the current trend in unemployment (which has yet to be shown) then if you are so set on giving a presidential administration credit, without evidence, just due to involvement it would more likely be the Obama administration.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

That's not the point.
It's that her fans point to all the horrible things Trump will certainly have done,
& use this to prove we should've elected her. But since she lost, her supposed
superior record is entirely imagined, ie, she does no wrong because she does nothing.

You must understand that that agenda sucks for many others....
- Higher taxes
- More dysfunctional regulation
- More wars
- Bigger government
- Crony capitalism
To quote a favored poster here.....
I am not sure why the few of you are having such a hard time wrapping your mind around this simple concept.

"You must understand that that agenda sucks for many others...."

That is a two sided argument.

"I am not sure why the few of you are having such a hard time wrapping your mind around this simple concept"

Most of your list is debatable and yet it is rather basic for me to suggest people who are Democratically aligned favor a Democratically aligned agenda. You are not making an equal comparison here, but I bet you thought it sounded cool in your head.

 

[omega2xx]

I have been bombarded with this argument when people have tried to justify commandeering wealth from those that may have righteously earned it.

The dogma of the hard left. Many who have a lot of money but only want us to give up ours.

 

[omega2xx]

There may be many reasons why people would have hostility towards Christianity, but I would not interpret those who say Jesus was a communist as being a sign of hostility or that Jesus was immoral (since they may not view communism as immoral).

Some of the hostility may be rooted in the common association between Bible Belt Christians and ultra-capitalist ideologues who incited various "Red Scares" and have embraced some obsessive crusade against communism. They themselves drew the battle lines and generated all the hostility that may be coming back at them. We're talking about people who see no problem with greed, exploitation, wars for profit, obscenely large gaps between rich and poor. We're talking about people who don't care how many have to die just so they can save an extra 5¢ per hour on labor costs. They hate communism because they hate the idea of having to actually be fair and decent human beings, since their religion ostensibly forbids them from doing that.

And you don't understand why some people might grow hostile at that?

Your rant also shows a lack of understanding Christianity. I do agree that "in-your-face evangelism, which is popular in Bible belt states, is one reason for their hostility.

If you think greed is a Christian doctrine, your understanding s worse than I thought.

WE hate communism because it is Godless and those who advocate it, don't live it and they take advantage of the common folks. Did any of the communist leaders live like the common folks. No they had all of the advantages of capitalism at the expense of the lower classes.

If you think Christianity teaches exploitation , wars for profit etc. you are way off base. What you should question is, are the who advocates such things really Christians.

One main teaching of Christianity is to be fair and decent to ALL, including loving our enemies.

You need to judge our writings, not those who claim to be Christian.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Their conduct is not Christian.

Says YOU. Who died and put YOU in charge as to who is and who is not "christian"?

Hmmmm?

It is as if there really is no god who will bring his wrath down on those who fail to conform to YOUR PERSONAL STANDARD.

Who knew?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Show me where I have judged anyone.

Too Easy:

Their conduct is not Christian.

And ONCE AGAIN you are caught up in a LIE of your own making:

So far you are the only one who has judged anyone.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You need a lesson in fig trees. They bear fruit before they bear leaves. That tree had leaves and should have had figs. It was unproductive and so was Israel.

It teaches today that if we have the outward signs of Christianity, but have no fruit, we are in danger of being spiritually cursed. It is very similar to "faith without words is dead."

Ooooh. ANOTHER LIE: herein the poster fabricated additional details to the story (which were not there) in order to fit his LIE of what the story literally said...

The hole he has dug is getting deeper and closer to the septic tank... the stench is already apparent.

PS: ANOTHER JUDGEMENTAL COMMENT. Note the self-satisfied tone.

You need a lesson in fig trees.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

This isn't the most ignorant rant I have heard about Jesus but it is in the top 5. Make that the top 3.

At least now you have seen the error of your hyperbole and admit it was not a bullwhip, , However you continue in error. Jesus did give them a by your leave." He said to them, "It is written, My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a robbers den"

They could have set up in the market place and done the very same thing.

Is it not embarrassing to be so wrong twice about the same simple story.

Are you advocating not paying taxes? That is breaking the law, Do you advocate breaking the law.

To say Jesus was a communist should be the top and bottom line on the poster identifying the most stupid comment of the age. To say He abhorred ownership of anything, without some evidence is a close second.

I don't think you have red the account. I bet some 6 year old with a vivid imagination told it to you.

Notebook: The above RANT (including the multiple JUDGEMENTAL COMMENTS) does not, in fact, refute MY comment.

The poster does not even TRY to post a counter argument--- other than "Nuuh--Uhhh! IS NOT IS NOT" (I can even see him screaming at his computer)

As for Jesus being a communist? This is quite evident by many-many sayings of Jesus, and by the Acts story-- wherein everyone lives ... .in a COMMUNE. Believing they were following Jesus' teachings to the fullest.

I love it when a Genuine Christian™ has to LIE to try to make his points-- and denigrates the poster, instead of the comments.

To sum up:

# Jesus said to pay taxes (anti-libertarian)
# Jesus trashed a place of business (anti-capitalism)
# Jesus advocated not owning anything--by example, and by words, stories and parables:

** the lilies of the field parable
** the rich man's towers of riches
** the field owner paying everyone the same, even though some only worked an hour
** the whole Sermon on the Mount is pretty blatant anti-capitalist.
** the comment about eyes of needles, and camels: blatant anti-capitalist

I could go on-- but I use actual ARGUMENT, in direct contrast to the insulting and patronizing Genuine True Christian™ (according to his own judgment-- just ask him-- you know he thinks that only he is a real christian-- everyone else is pretending or something)

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Even some of his better parables were about OWNERS of land and enterprises that HIRED workers and paid them for their production. I never understood where people considered Jesus a Communist or even communistic.

Very communistic: the owner paid everyone the SAME, regardless of how long they each worked.

That is as anti-capitalism as you could be... but it's hardly surprising coming from a conservative.... I bet you think trumpnazi is ... an actual Christian?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Didn't he look like a dirty hippy?

Indeed. He owned nothing but the clothes on his back, and possibly a pair of sandals-- although those may have been a loaner pair.

Jesus' teaching for his disciples at the very end, was to travel the land, owning nothing, paying for nothing --- but depending instead on the kindness of the locals.

If kindness (hospitality) was not to be found? Shake the dust off their feet-- god would punish those dirty greedy capitalist pigs.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Thanks for the reminders. I couldn't think of a good example.

Because there just are not any--- even the silly example of paying everyone? The owner was very anti-capitalist: he paid the same wage, regardless if a man worked an hour or all day.

VERY socialist/communist.

People who say Jesus was a communist, and that is the first time I have heard that, are the ones who dislike Christianity and try to make Jesus to be some kind of an immoral person.

I understnd people not accepting Christianity, I just don't understand their hostility towards it.

I'm not hostile towards christianity -- so long as you quit making evil laws based on your own twisted version of what YOU hate (instead of what the bible actually says).

But nevermindthat: What is immoral about communism? Seriously-- let's see your argument why communism is automagically "evil".

I do not mean the twisted Cult Of Personality that was the USSR, or earlier China.

I mean the original communism as described in the book of Acts.

Or did you not read that one? That would be 10 of 10 for you-- not reading your own book....!

 

[BSM1]

Trump has only been office for a little over three months and there is this thing know as the carry over effect. The carry over effect is basically that you need to allow sufficient time between observations to make sure the previous observation is not interfering with the current. However, you don't need a course in multi linear regression to understand Trump has a much more limited involvement than Obama had, just due to time in office, and if the administration in general can be said to have a correlation with the current trend in unemployment (which has yet to be shown) then if you are so set on giving a presidential administration credit, without evidence, just due to involvement it would more likely be the Obama administration.

How are things down on the unicorn farm?

Very communistic: the owner paid everyone the SAME, regardless of how long they each worked.

That is as anti-capitalism as you could be... but it's hardly surprising coming from a conservative.... I bet you think trumpnazi is ... an actual Christian?

Specious. He made a (verbal) contract with each set of workers. He gave them what they agreed to accept. This is Capitalism at it's best.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

How are things down on the unicorn farm?

Is this your nonsense response because you don't understand what I am talking about? I thought what I said was simple enough to grasp, even for a layperson.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

What, in your opinion, is the disastrous path Trump has put us on? (BTW the way, did you notice that just this week the unemployment rate has dropped to the lowest it's been in ten years?)

I did not notice that, but I feel that jeremiah is correct here - this early in Trump's term, attributing this to him is ridiculous. What has he done to lower unemployment rates, aside from golf? (On tax payer's dime, mind you.)

As for the path that Trump has put us on, world leaders (you know, the people we share the stage with?) are outraged and scared at his behavior. Several tentative allies have expressed concern over his Twitter behavior. Relations with Russia keep getting more and more tense. North Korea grows more volatile - and has even threatened psycho's homeland for some reason.

Regulations are being removed at an alarming rate, most notably that for the sciences that regulate environmental pollution. National Parks are being defunded, and I've even seen talks of not respecting those natural sanctuaries and ravaging them for oil. Climate change is constantly denied, despite growing ever-more evident, and measures to regulate and reverse our impact on it are turned down. Regulations on business are also being removed or lessened, to the point where they can essentially say "Oh, well no one told us we couldn't be scumbags" with impunity.

Trump talked about "draining the swamp", then appointed several people who are worse than their predecessors - need I remind of Betsy DeVois, who has no credentials or experience in her job of education. More and more it seems like we were the swamp-to-be-drained. Oh and then there's the wall. Trump's wonderful wall. The wall that will make economic and political relations with Mexico (and likely every other developed nation) far more worse because of the statement that it sends. The wall that won't stop drugs and illegal immigrants - as Trump claims - and that we will end up paying for. Not Mexico, certainly not Trump; us. Hell, we already pay for his wife's security in New York, at his personal business tower.

Now, Clinton is no saint either, and I didn't vote for her. But I have yet to see one argument at all as to why we should be "thanking heaven" that she lost. Why we should be falling to our knees in hysterical gratitude to the system that basically ignored our votes right up until the end that Hiliary isn't sitting in the Oval Office. Can anybody provide even an inkling of a reason? I've seen a list of her campaign proposals, yet how many of Trump's proposals has he kept?

 

[Stevicus]

Your rant also shows a lack of understanding Christianity. I do agree that "in-your-face evangelism, which is popular in Bible belt states, is one reason for their hostility.

If you think greed is a Christian doctrine, your understanding s worse than I thought.

WE hate communism because it is Godless and those who advocate it, don't live it and they take advantage of the common folks. Did any of the communist leaders live like the common folks. No they had all of the advantages of capitalism at the expense of the lower classes.

If you think Christianity teaches exploitation , wars for profit etc. you are way off base. What you should question is, are the who advocates such things really Christians.

One main teaching of Christianity is to be fair and decent to ALL, including loving our enemies.

You need to judge our writings, not those who claim to be Christian.

One of those writings said "you will know them by their fruits." I'm only judging their fruits, not what they claim to be. Actions speak louder than words, and I'm judging them by the results of their actions.

As far as communism being godless - all forms of government are godless, including our own. What's the problem?

 

[Revoltingest]

"You must understand that that agenda sucks for many others...."

That is a two sided argument.

"I am not sure why the few of you are having such a hard time wrapping your mind around this simple concept"

Most of your list is debatable and yet it is rather basic for me to suggest people who are Democratically aligned favor a Democratically aligned agenda. You are not making an equal comparison here, but I bet you thought it sounded cool in your head.

Of course it's debatable.
That's why we're here, Berford!
(That was my point in quoting your petulant little barb back at you.)

See how I used the site's quote feature?
That's how it's done....it's clearer.