Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[metis]

But we aren’t talking about “yelling fire” but rather a portion of the medical profession not agreeing with another portion of the medical profession. Challenging of positions, medically speaking, should be encouraged and not discouraged.

I agree, but who's supposedly stopping them from giving their own opinion on their own forum? However, if they do as such and some die due to disinformation, then shouldn't they possibly be held accountable? If I tell you X is safe whereas the reality is that you can all too easily die, can't I be held responsible?

Words have consequences, which has paid many a paycheck for many lawyers.

 

[Kenny]

I agree, but who's supposedly stopping them from giving their own opinion on their own forum?

Regulators Move Against Two 'Misinformation' Doctors

Peter McCullough, MD, and Sherri Tenpenny, DO, face new scrutiny

www.medpagetoday.com

these aren’t the only ones.

However, if they do as such and some die due to disinformation, then shouldn't they possibly be held accountable? If I tell you X is safe whereas the reality is that you can all too easily die, can't I be held responsible?

So, should Pfizer be held accountable for withholding information

Words have consequences, which has paid many a paycheck for many lawyers.

“ With that promise in mind, after the vaccine’s licensure in August 2020, Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency, a group of highly credentialed scientists submitted a FOIA request to the FDA for the data submitted by Pfizer. The scientists explained that, until all the data is produced, a proper review cannot be conducted because missing even a single data set could throw off any analysis."

It took this long for real review can be accomplished. The question is, “Why did they have to sue to get the information?” if it is so transparent?

Why a Judge Ordered FDA to Release Covid-19 Vaccine Data Pronto

A group of scientists and medical researchers sued the FDA under FOIA to force release of hundreds of thousands of documents related to licensing of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. Plaintiff’s attorney Aaron Siri, who is representing the group, explains the fight that led a federal court...

news.bloomberglaw.com

The reality is, unless you agreed, you were pressured!

 

[metis]

Regulators Move Against Two 'Misinformation' Doctors

Peter McCullough, MD, and Sherri Tenpenny, DO, face new scrutiny

www.medpagetoday.com

these aren’t the only ones.



So, should Pfizer be held accountable for withholding information



“ With that promise in mind, after the vaccine’s licensure in August 2020, Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency, a group of highly credentialed scientists submitted a FOIA request to the FDA for the data submitted by Pfizer. The scientists explained that, until all the data is produced, a proper review cannot be conducted because missing even a single data set could throw off any analysis."

It took this long for real review can be accomplished. The question is, “Why did they have to sue to get the information?” if it is so transparent?

Why a Judge Ordered FDA to Release Covid-19 Vaccine Data Pronto

A group of scientists and medical researchers sued the FDA under FOIA to force release of hundreds of thousands of documents related to licensing of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. Plaintiff’s attorney Aaron Siri, who is representing the group, explains the fight that led a federal court...

news.bloomberglaw.com

The reality is, unless you agreed, you were pressured!

Please post any source that says that the Fed and/or Pfizer violated the law.

The vaccines have saved countless lives, so I took and take what they have done seriously and with a "Thank God!". To me, that's highly important for both health and moral reasons.

BTW, this year I decided not to get vaxed because of the very nasty cases of psoriasis I suffered over the last two winters due to an autoimmune reaction I had to both covid and the vaccine. I have not much doubt that the Pfizer vaccine probably saved my wife's life two years ago because of the respiratory issues she has, and she did get vaxed again this last fall.

 

[Kenny]

Please post any source that says that the Fed and/or Pfizer violated the law.

Metis, I’m just saying that we shouldn’t stop the voices that are for or against. As stated, there are those who are simply “I don’t agree with the findings for vaccine” and gave their reasons and suffered because of the “disinformation or “Information control”

The vaccines have saved countless lives, so I took and take what they have done seriously and with a "Thank God!". To me, that's highly important for both health and moral reasons.

Do you have any statistics that give percentages? It is hard to compare vaccinated vs non-vaccinated by numbers.

Certainly i’m all for saving of lives.

Another question I have is how many sudden deaths can be attributed by side-effects of vaccine and other side effects which are yet to be discovered.

BTW, this year I decided not to get vaxed because of the very nasty cases of psoriasis I suffered over the last two winters due to an autoimmune reaction I had to both covid and the vaccine. I have not much doubt that the Pfizer vaccine probably saved my wife's life two years ago because of the respiratory issues she has, and she did get vaxed again this last fall.

yes… that is a great example how each person needs to make their personal decision.

I know I had Covid before vaccine. Pretty sure I had the next generation one too. I’d like to say I got the vaccine on the first one and boostered on the second.

 

[Revoltingest]

Regulators Move Against Two 'Misinformation' Doctors

Peter McCullough, MD, and Sherri Tenpenny, DO, face new scrutiny

www.medpagetoday.com

these aren’t the only ones.



So, should Pfizer be held accountable for withholding information



“ With that promise in mind, after the vaccine’s licensure in August 2020, Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency, a group of highly credentialed scientists submitted a FOIA request to the FDA for the data submitted by Pfizer. The scientists explained that, until all the data is produced, a proper review cannot be conducted because missing even a single data set could throw off any analysis."

It took this long for real review can be accomplished. The question is, “Why did they have to sue to get the information?” if it is so transparent?

Why a Judge Ordered FDA to Release Covid-19 Vaccine Data Pronto

A group of scientists and medical researchers sued the FDA under FOIA to force release of hundreds of thousands of documents related to licensing of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. Plaintiff’s attorney Aaron Siri, who is representing the group, explains the fight that led a federal court...

news.bloomberglaw.com

The reality is, unless you agreed, you were pressured!

It seems that you don't understand how licensing
law works. Physicians' licenses require them to not
harm people. If they misinform, & it poses harm,
they should be censored.
This applies to other fields, eg, real estate licenses.
As a broker, I wasn't allowed to present false info,
eg, promising a profit, saying blacks are a bad credit
risk. Those things are demonstrably misinformation,
& should be prohibited.

 

[Kenny]

It seems that you don't understand how licensing
law works.

I understand completely.

 

[Ebionite]

Research doesn't rely on consensus, nor does peer review.

IOW, the stats speak for themselves.

Indeed. About 0.1% mortality per shot isn't "safe and effective".

 

[Ebionite]

That is totally unsupported by the evidence.

Have you reviewed the New Zealand data?

 

[Left Coast]

Have you reviewed the New Zealand data?

You mean this?

COVID-19 vaccination in New Zealand - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Ebionite]

You mean this?

COVID-19 vaccination in New Zealand - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No, the actual records for the pay-per-dose scheme were leaked a few weeks ago. The data showed an overall mortality of 0.1% per shot.

Man charged over leaked Te Whatu Ora vaccine data hasn't breached bail with InfoWars interview - police

An IT worker accused of leaking Te Whatu Ora vaccine data has not breached his bail conditions by doing an interview with a US-based conspiracy website, police say.

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[stvdv]

I think not only did they pressure websites -- but also silenced opposing medical voices to maintain a narrative. IMV

I think

I know

IMV

For a fact

 

[Ebionite]

 

[metis]

Metis, I’m just saying that we shouldn’t stop the voices that are for or against. As stated, there are those who are simply “I don’t agree with the findings for vaccine” and gave their reasons and suffered because of the “disinformation or “Information control”

But how did they suffer? Were they arrested? Some private companies required the vaccines as well as the U.S. Armed Forces, but that is their right.

Do you have any statistics that give percentages? It is hard to compare vaccinated vs non-vaccinated by numbers.

This is just one source that's not linked to the government but does cover it from the general medical perspective including reasons why: Get the facts about COVID-19 vaccines

Here's another: The Updated COVID Vaccines Are Here: 10 Things to Know

Another question I have is how many sudden deaths can be attributed by side-effects of vaccine and other side effects which are yet to be discovered.

Problem is Joe gets vaxed, has covid, and dies 5 days later-- what killed him: the vax or covid? My wife's and my reaction to the vax, along with everyone we know who got poked, had minor symptoms, such as a sore arm for a day or so. In my case, it retriggered my psoriasis like it did the year before when I got covid, and I had no such reaction to the two previous Pfizer vaccines. Thus, it wasn't the vax's fault.

There is absolutely no doubt according to the research that vaxing, including for covid, saves a great many lives because this is what vaccines do. The terrible thing is that this got heavily politicalized, especially by guess who? Then of course his mouthpieces, like Fox played right along on cue.

 

[metis]

Indeed. About 0.1% mortality per shot isn't "safe and effective".

See my post #1073.

 

[Ebionite]

See my post #1073.

What is your point?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Indeed. About 0.1% mortality per shot isn't "safe and effective".

Citation needed.

 

[Ebionite]

Citation needed.

I don't care what you think you need. Steve Kirsch made the original claim.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't care what you think you need. Steve Kirsch made the original claim.

It seems you believe whatever claims are made, as long as you already believe them and they fit your "the government wants to kill us all" narrative.

People who care about whether things are actually true or not, require a valid source for claims such as this. Even the article you linked contains no actual information about the claim you made. Anybody anywhere can claim absolutely anything at all. We need to have a method by which we can actually verify them or not.

 

[Ebionite]

It seems you believe whatever claims are made, as long as you already believe them and they fit your "the government wants to kill us all" narrative.

The data is available for independent verification.

 

[Left Coast]

No, the actual records for the pay-per-dose scheme were leaked a few weeks ago. The data showed an overall mortality of 0.1% per shot.

Man charged over leaked Te Whatu Ora vaccine data hasn't breached bail with InfoWars interview - police

An IT worker accused of leaking Te Whatu Ora vaccine data has not breached his bail conditions by doing an interview with a US-based conspiracy website, police say.

www.rnz.co.nz

The data isn't shown. From the article:

"Health New Zealand has described its employee's actions as "a gross breach of trust" and said there was no truth to the claims that Covid-19 vaccines have caused excess deaths."

Don't get your news from InfoWars.