Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[SkepticThinker]

The data is available for independent verification.

Where? That's what I'm asking you when I ask for your source.

 

[Ebionite]

The data isn't shown. From the article:

"Health New Zealand has described its employee's actions as "a gross breach of trust" and said there was no truth to the claims that Covid-19 vaccines have caused excess deaths."

To get the data you've got to get the access credentials to Kirsh's IZT data bucket. I can help you with that if you're serious about looking at it.
Health New Zealand is not a credible source about vaccine safety as they are a Crown proxy, and the Crown has a conflict of interest in relation to health because of its religion.

 

[Ebionite]

Where? That's what I'm asking you when I ask for your source.

How to download the N.Z. Ministry of Health data that was leaked by Barry Young and anonymised and time-shifted by Steve Kirsch:​

1. Install rclone. For Debian, Ubuntu and similar:

sudo apt install rclone

2. Configure rclone so that it can access the data:

mkdir -p ~/.config/rclone echo "[IZT] type = s3 provider = Other access_key_id = g42m54xwZS80yQpAO20Q secret_access_key = Kq77gLL47mbypnnRc0UP7sPTvrvjn6y0D5FSEK5H endpoint = http://kirsch.izt.world:9000 acl = private" > ~/.config/rclone/rclone.conf

3. Download about 1.2 GB of data:

mkdir ~/kirsch-moh rclone sync IZT:/data-transparency ~/kirsch-moh

https://clonehost.net/crimescene.html

 

[SkepticThinker]

How to download the N.Z. Ministry of Health data that was leaked by Barry Young and anonymised and time-shifted by Steve Kirsch:​

1. Install rclone. For Debian, Ubuntu and similar:


2. Configure rclone so that it can access the data:


3. Download about 1.2 GB of data:

https://clonehost.net/crimescene.html

Sorry, I'm not downloading a bunch of unknown stuff from some unknown place.

To get the data you've got to get the access credentials to Kirsh's IZT data bucket. I can help you with that if you're serious about looking at it.
Health New Zealand is not a credible source about vaccine safety as they are a Crown proxy, and the Crown has a conflict of interest in relation to health because of its religion.

I'm serious about looking at it, but not this way.

You'll also have to back up your claim that Health New Zealand isn't a credible source of data, while promoting this bizarre, secretive style of information sharing that isn't typical of usual honest scientific inquiry and data sharing.

 

[Left Coast]

To get the data you've got to get the access credentials to Kirsh's IZT data bucket. I can help you with that if you're serious about looking at it.

All you need to do is post it here and cite your source so we can all see it. It doesn't need to be a secret. Show us.

Health New Zealand is not a credible source about vaccine safety as they are a Crown proxy, and the Crown has a conflict of interest in relation to health because of its religion.

What are you talking about? Why would the New Zealand Ministry of Health not be a reliable source for data on New Zealand's health initiatives? What does religion have to do with it?

It's amazing that you trust information from ridiculous cranks like Alex Jones but you somehow believe that people whose entire professional lives are dedicated to public health are not credible when they report data on public health matters. Stunning.

 

[Ebionite]

Sorry, I'm not downloading a bunch of unknown stuff from some unknown place.

You've been told what the data is, and the source is InZernet Technologies, Michagan, U.S.A.
You're on ignore, I'm not wasting any more time on you.

 

[Ebionite]

All you need to do is post it here and cite your source so we can all see it. It doesn't need to be a secret. Show us.

I don't need to do anything. Can the religiousforums server cope with a post of around 1.2 gigabytes of data?
The source for the data is the NZ Ministry of Health via Barry Young and Steve Kirsch. The data is hosted on a U.S. server.

What are you talking about? Why would the New Zealand Ministry of Health not be a reliable source for data on New Zealand's health initiatives? What does religion have to do with it?

The Crown is the name for the administration of the realm of Charles III. One of Charles' titles is "Defender of the Faith", which relates to the Church of England. As a Crown proxy the Ministry of Health has a role in upholding the beliefs of the Church of England that relate to healing.

It's amazing that you trust information from ridiculous cranks like Alex Jones

I don't trust Alex Jones. My sources for this are Liz Gunn, Barry Young, and Steve Kirsch.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You've been told what the data is, and the source is InZernet Technologies, Michagan, U.S.A.
You're on ignore, I'm not wasting any more time on you.

I have not been told what the data is. I have not been given any data.

I've been told that I need to download software and follow a big long list of steps to get some sort of secret data, that for some reason can't just be published online or in a science journal.

Here, I'll give you a random link to who-knows-what, then tell you to install a bunch of software and download who-knows-what, and keep your fingers crossed that it's not a virus or something. You game? Probably not, right?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't need to do anything. Can the religiousforums server cope with a post of around 1.2 gigabytes of data?
The source for the data is the NZ Ministry of Health via Barry Young and Steve Kirsch. The data is hosted on a U.S. server.

Didn't you just say we can't trust the NZ Ministry of Health?

The Crown is the name for the administration of the realm of Charles III. One of Charles' titles is "Defender of the Faith", which relates to the Church of England. As a Crown proxy the Ministry of Health has a role in upholding the beliefs of the Church of England that relate to healing.

Whaa?

I don't trust Alex Jones. My sources for this are Liz Gunn, Barry Young, and Steve Kirsch.

So your sources for scientific data are an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist, a conspiracy theorist hacker, and a tech millionaire,
Well, there's your problem.

My sources for scientific information are scientists who have to submit their work to be scrutinized by other scientists.

 

[Left Coast]

I don't need to do anything. Can the religiousforums server cope with a post of around 1.2 gigabytes of data?
The source for the data is the NZ Ministry of Health via Barry Young and Steve Kirsch. The data is hosted on a U.S. server.

Link?

Also, didn't you just say you don't trust the NZ Ministry of Health?

The Crown is the name for the administration of the realm of Charles III. One of Charles' titles is "Defender of the Faith", which relates to the Church of England. As a Crown proxy the Ministry of Health has a role in upholding the beliefs of the Church of England that relate to healing.

New Zealand is secular. Besides, what does Anglicanism have to do with health data?

I don't trust Alex Jones. My sources for this are Liz Gunn, Barry Young, and Steve Kirsch.

And that is the beginning of your troubles.

Liz Gunn - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Ebionite]

Link?

If there was a link I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of posting instructions on how to download it.

Also, didn't you just say you don't trust the NZ Ministry of Health?

The data is not the same as someone's as statement about it.

New Zealand is secular.

Wrong, it's a common law country and common law is theistic. Also the government uses the Westminster model, which was named after the Christian Saint Peter.

And that is the beginning of your troubles.

Wrong, the trouble here is for people who have faith in the pronouncements of the New Zealand government. Wikipedia has been a cognitive infiltration operation from way back.

 

[Left Coast]

If there was a link I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of posting instructions on how to download it.

It's not hard to post a link to the site where you can download the information from.

The data is not the same as someone's as statement about it.

So you trust to NZ Health Ministry to provide accurate data. But then when they summarize that data for you, that's somehow not trustworthy. Got it.

Wrong, it's a common law country and common law is theistic.

No, it isn't. And even if it were, what does that have to do with data about vaccination?

Also the government uses the Westminster model, which was named after the Christian Saint Peter.

Something having a historically religious name doesn't make it non-secular. See also: Christmas, the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles, etc.

Wrong, the trouble here is for people who have faith in the pronouncements of the New Zealand government. Wikipedia has been a cognitive infiltration operation from way back.

Oh geez. So you're fully invested in some grand conspiracy about mainstream sources of information. Yikes. Alrighty then, that about wraps up where we'll be able to take the conversation.

 

[Ebionite]

It's not hard to post a link to the site where you can download the information from.

I'll type slowly so that you get it. There is no link, that's why I posted the instruction about how to download it.

 

[Ebionite]

No, it isn't.

You don't know what you're talking about.

There was, as this law arrived in one piece from another hemisphere, every reason to expect that it would develop to its new context. The English Laws Act 1858 even made room for the possibility of circumstances in New Zealand which the English laws would have to accommodate. Justice Joe Williams has explained how that law arrived into a country that had its own customs, regulating the lives of the inhabitants, setting out duties and expectations and providing for the consequences of infractions of societal norms and values just as surely as did English common law and statute.

https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/public-law/publications/nz-journal-of-public-and-international-law/previous-issues/volume-19-issue-1-2021/01-winkelmann-pdf

 

[McBell]

I'll type slowly so that you get it. There is no link, that's why I posted the instruction about how to download it.

And unless you have Linux/Unix you ain't getting their redacted/edited version of the information.

 

[Left Coast]

I'll type slowly so that you get it. There is no link, that's why I posted the instruction about how to download it.

Perhaps I'm not technically savvy enough. Given your conspiratorial web of ideas on this topic, it's more likely that the data just isn't there or doesn't show what you think it does.

 

[McBell]

Perhaps I'm not technically savvy enough. Given your conspiratorial web of ideas on this topic, it's more likely that the data just isn't there or doesn't show what you think it does.

Personally, I am rather sus of the info they are providing basically because you have three rather untrustworthy people presenting their personally edited version of the information.

 

[Left Coast]

You don't know what you're talking about.

https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/public-law/publications/nz-journal-of-public-and-international-law/previous-issues/volume-19-issue-1-2021/01-winkelmann-pdf

Sir, where does this say common law is "theistic?" And what does that have do with the price of eggs, for the third time? New Zealand is a secular country. Do you know what secular means?

As with the danger of vaccination, you do not know what you're talking about in this thread.

New Zealand - Religion

Learn about the religious make-up of society and how religion influences daily life and culture

culturalatlas.sbs.com.au

 

[Ebionite]

And unless you have Linux/Unix you ain't getting their redacted/edited version of the information.

You could also get it with a S3 file browser using the credentials that I posted.

Personally, I am rather sus of the info they are providing basically because you have three rather untrustworthy people presenting their personally edited version of the information.

The only one who redacted/edited anything was Steve Kirsch, and his purpose for doing that was to protect the anonymity of the people involved in the pay-per-jab program that Barry Young was the data administrator of. He said that the statistical integrity of the data was preserved. If you think that a government with a religious axe to grind is more credible that an entrepreneur/philanthopist then that's on you.

 

[Left Coast]

Personally, I am rather sus of the info they are providing basically because you have three rather untrustworthy people presenting their personally edited version of the information.

Oh, so this is data they pulled from NZ Health and then edited themselves? LOL ah okay now I see.