Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[Left Coast]

I don't "need" that.

Oh, so you do it simply out of desire. Fascinating.

Your strawman. If you understood the symbolism then you would know why it's not any kind of conspiracy.

It's on you to explain how they logically lead to your conclusion. When I ask, all I get is vague word salad from you.

I'm not the one with the defective arguments.

Sure.

They're not random. They're connected by the prophetic texts that relate to the contemporary symbols.

Yet lead no where close to "Therefore there is a global conspiracy to hide deaths from COVID vaccines."

Bollocks. The last day is recognised in Islam, which favours reason over faith.

*Cites a religion's use of a phrase to prove that the phrase is not religious*

My guy, stop while you're behind. I think we've seen enough.

 

[Ebionite]

Oh, so you do it simply out of desire. Fascinating.

You clearly have no clue.

It's on you to explain how they logically lead to your conclusion. When I ask, all I get is vague word salad from you.

I don't think that you're capable of understanding it.

Yet lead no where close to "Therefore there is a global conspiracy to hide deaths from COVID vaccines."

Again, your strawman. I said nothing about a conspiracy,

*Cites a religion's use of a phrase to prove that the phrase is not religious*

Islam is more than a religion because of its emphasis on reason.

 

[Left Coast]

You clearly have no clue.

No clue why you believe silly things? I have some idea, but you're right, I probably don't know them all.

I don't think that you're capable of understanding it.

Ah yes, blame the audience rather than the one giving the speech.

Again, your strawman. I said nothing about a conspiracy,

Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Go ahead, explain it again in a way that isn't conspiratorial.

Islam is more than a religion because of its emphasis on reason.

Lots of religions employ and value reason. Islam is a religion. The phrase you used is religious. Your belief in a global conspiracy to hide COVID vaccine deaths because Rod of Asclepius something something King of England something something Pharoah something something America therefore people are dying from COVID vaccines en masse and there's a giant international coverup....is a religious belief. It's not based on empirical data.

 

[Ebionite]

No clue why you believe silly things? I have some idea, but you're right, I probably don't know them all.

Because it's silly to think that the increase in mortality is related to the roll-out of a new medical intervention, right?

Ah yes, blame the audience rather than the one giving the speech.

You argued the strawman about a conspiracy, not me.

Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

It doesn't do that.

Your belief in a global conspiracy

You lose.

 

[Left Coast]

Because it's silly to think that the increase in mortality is related to the roll-out of a new medical intervention, right?

When we have ample data showing that said vaccine doesn't kill people, and ample data showing that the virus it combats does kill people...yes, your belief is deeply silly. Which is why serious public health professionals and doctors and other scientists don't agree with you.

You argued the strawman about a conspiracy, not me.


It doesn't do that.


You lose.

And yet you did not respond to my request to explain the reasoning for your belief in a way that isn't conspiratorial.

 

[Ebionite]

When we have ample data showing that said vaccine doesn't kill people

Where can I get this data?

And yet you did not respond to my request to explain the reasoning for your belief in a way that isn't conspiratorial.

Because your position is that I think that it involves some kind of conspiracy.

 

[Left Coast]

Where can I get this data?

Linked earlier in the thread, in direct reply to you. Go back.

Because your position is that I think that it involves some kind of conspiracy.

So for the third time: explain how it doesn't involve a conspiracy.

 

[Ebionite]

Linked earlier in the thread, in direct reply to you. Go back.

In other words, it doesn't exist, right?

So for the third time: explain how it doesn't involve a conspiracy.

No, you've already made your mind up about it.

 

[Left Coast]

In other words, it doesn't exist, right?

Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

Why? Mild inflammation doesn't kill people. Much like vaccines, turns out. You're getting it!

www.religiousforums.com

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

No, you've already made your mind up about it.

Based on the evidence that I've seen thus far that it's extremely conspiratorial, I have drawn some obvious conclusions. But they're not dogmatic, you can try to make a non-conspiratorial argument. I've given you multiple openings. Why not do it instead of talking about it?

 

[Ebionite]

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

If you think that a link to the CDC website is the same as data that shows safety then that's just another reason not to take your position seriously.

Like I said, the data does not exist:

From you.com:

What data from the CDC shows that Cominarty is safe?

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the safety of the Cominarty COVID-19 vaccine has been rigorously monitored and evaluated since its emergency use authorization (EUA) in December 2020 1. The CDC, along with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and other federal agencies, continues to monitor the safety of the updated COVID-19 vaccines and shares information with the public as it becomes available 1.
It is important to note that the CDC recommends everyone aged 6 months and older to receive an updated COVID-19 vaccine to protect against serious illness 1. The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, including Cominarty, are manufactured using a similar process to the previous vaccines, and their safety has been closely monitored 1.
For more information on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines, you can visit the CDC's website 1.

Please let me know if there's anything else I can help you with!

Based on the evidence that I've seen thus far that it's extremely conspiratorial, I have drawn some obvious conclusions.

That's your problem, not mine.

I've given you multiple openings. Why not do it instead of talking about it?

Because of your prejudice.

 

[Left Coast]

If you think that a link to the CDC website is the same as data that shows safety then that's just another reason not to take your position seriously.

The CDC page I linked shows the actual research papers wherein the vaccine safety data was collected for you to read. That you don't comprehend that is another reason not to take your position seriously, sir.

That's your problem, not mine.

It really isn't. It's a conclusion that matches the available evidence. It's not a problem thus far at all.

Because of your prejudice.

My prejudice...for facts? That's true, I do have a bias in favor of demonstrable facts.

 

[Ebionite]

The CDC page I linked shows the actual research papers wherein the vaccine safety data was collected for you to read.

Can you cite a paper which provides data that shows that the covid injections don't kill people?

You said: "... we have ample data showing that said vaccine doesn't kill people ..." #1185

 

[Left Coast]

Can you cite a paper which provides data that shows that the covid injections don't kill people?

You said: "... we have ample data showing that said vaccine doesn't kill people ..." #1185

Asked and answered: literally go to the link I gave you. It links to numerous studies evaluating COVID vaccine safety. Guess what they repeatedly show?

 

[Ebionite]

Asked and answered: literally go to the link I gave you.

That's obviously untrue. Scientific papers are not the same thing as raw data.

 

[Left Coast]

That's obviously untrue. Scientific papers are not the same thing as raw data.

Scientific papers literally describe and analyze the data they themselves collected in detail. That's literally the entire point of scientific papers. Did you bother even clicking on the link or reading any of what the people who do this research for a living had to say?

 

[Ebionite]

Scientific papers literally describe and analyze the data they themselves collected in detail. That's literally the entire point of scientific papers. Did you bother even clicking on the link or reading any of what the people who do this research for a living had to say?

So what? They may not have been looking in the right place to see the safety signal.

 

[Left Coast]

So what? They may not have been looking in the right place to see the safety signal.

Sorry, what "safety signal?" Can you cite a paper that shows that the COVID vaccines are unsafe?

 

[Ebionite]

Sorry, what "safety signal?" Can you cite a paper that shows that the COVID vaccines are unsafe?

A safety signal is a statistical indicator of evidence of harm, eg a causal relationship between dose and death. Correlation isn't causation for single cases, but for large populations correlation can show a probability of causation.

The analysis is not in a scientific paper, but it can be replicated by anyone since the raw data is available.

 

[Left Coast]

A safety signal is a statistical indicator of evidence of harm, eg a causal relationship between dose and death. Correlation isn't causation for single cases, but for large populations correlation can show a probability of causation.

There is no evidence of any causal, or even correlational, link between COVID vaccination and death. If anything, people who received COVID vaccines are less likely to die...from COVID.

The analysis is not in a scientific paper, but it can be replicated by anyone since the raw data is available.

I would encourage you to reach out to any one of the dozens of teams whose published research I linked for you. Scientists are usually more than happy tp share additonal information with people of good faith who contact them regarding their research.

 

[Ebionite]

There is no evidence of any causal, or even correlational, link between COVID vaccination and death.

No, you refuse to look at the evidence.

I would encourage you to reach out to any one of the dozens of teams whose published research I linked for you. Scientists are usually more than happy tp share additonal information with people of good faith who contact them regarding their research.

It's not my job to make your case for you.