Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[McBell]

No, you've already made your mind up about it.

In other words, you can't do it.

 

[Ebionite]

In other words, you can't do it.

I can. Here's the key verse:

And YHWH said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Exodus 4:21

The rod and the lion:

And when they had gone Pharaoh sent for Balaam the magician and to Jannes and Jambres his sons, and to all the magicians and conjurors and counsellors which belonged to the king, and they all came and sat before the king.
And the king told them all the words which Moses and his brother Aaron had spoken to him, and the magicians said to the king, But how came the men to thee, on account of the lions which were confined at the gate?
And the king said, Because they lifted up their rod against the lions and loosed them, and came to me, and the lions also rejoiced at them as a dog rejoices to meet his master.
Jasher 79:27-29

The dispute between the commons and the royals played out later in the American War of Independence. The Great Seal of the U.S. connects to this via the pyramid on the reverse side.

The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7:4

A lion with eagles' wings is like a griffin, which is the name given to the dragon at the gate of the old city of London.

 

[Left Coast]

No, you refuse to look at the evidence.

I'm the only one between the two of us who has actually presented any. When you want to show some, let me know.

It's not my job to make your case for you.

Oh, I don't need you to make my case. I already did. I was helpfully letting you know that if you want even more information than is reasonably sufficient to know COVID vaccines are safe, there are ways to do that.

 

[Left Coast]

I can. Here's the key verse:

And YHWH said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Exodus 4:21

The rod and the lion:

And when they had gone Pharaoh sent for Balaam the magician and to Jannes and Jambres his sons, and to all the magicians and conjurors and counsellors which belonged to the king, and they all came and sat before the king.
And the king told them all the words which Moses and his brother Aaron had spoken to him, and the magicians said to the king, But how came the men to thee, on account of the lions which were confined at the gate?
And the king said, Because they lifted up their rod against the lions and loosed them, and came to me, and the lions also rejoiced at them as a dog rejoices to meet his master.
Jasher 79:27-29

The dispute between the commons and the royals played out later in the American War of Independence. The Great Seal of the U.S. connects to this via the pyramid on the reverse side.

The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7:4

A lion with eagles' wings is like a griffin, which is the name given to the dragon at the gate of the old city of London.

@McBell, I'll let you handle this.

 

[Ebionite]

I'm the only one between the two of us who has actually presented any.

You're ignoring the information I posted about how to get the NZ record-level data.
You're also ignoring the 0.1% death/dose from that data.

 

[Left Coast]

You're ignoring the information I posted about how to get the NZ record-level data.
You're also ignoring the 0.1% death/dose from that data.

Data that was ill-gotten and then personally edited and redacted by some crank? And which you have to do some weird **** to download?

No, I'm not ignoring it. I'm just giving it exactly the credence it deserves compared to peer-reviewed publicly available scientific data that I gave you numerous examples of.

 

[Ebionite]

Data that was ill-gotten

No, it was released in the public interest.

and then personally edited and redacted by some crank?

Redacting personal information that doesn't effect the statistical integrity of the data does not make someone a crank.

You fail, again.

Shocking Audio Admission: Parents Not Warned About Myocarditis Risk 'Because It Might Scare Them'

Note the 50,739 myocarditis cases (with only ~1% reporting). There's no treatment for myocarditis, according to Johns Hopkin's website.

deeprootsathome.com

 

[McBell]

@McBell, I'll let you handle this.

That particular member has stated in another thread that they hav put me on ignore.

Sorry about that.
Not that I was put on ignore, but that I will not be able to handle it for you.

 

[McBell]

Redacting personal information that doesn't effect the statistical integrity of the data does not make someone a crank.

From a terabyte to 1.2 giga bytes (or was it 2.1 gigabytes?) is a lot of personal information...

And since you do not know what all was included in the original theft, you have no way of knowing what was redacted.

And the crank was a crank long before this particular incident.

 

[Left Coast]

No, it was released in the public interest.

By whom, under what conditions? Did they have legal authority to do so?

Redacting personal information that doesn't effect the statistical integrity of the data does not make someone a crank.

How do you know that's all that was redacted?

You fail, again.

Shocking Audio Admission: Parents Not Warned About Myocarditis Risk 'Because It Might Scare Them'

Note the 50,739 myocarditis cases (with only ~1% reporting). There's no treatment for myocarditis, according to Johns Hopkin's website.

deeprootsathome.com

Use of COVID-19 Vaccines After Reports of Adverse Events...

ACIP reviewed information on COVID-19 vaccines and concluded that benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks of rare, serious adverse events.

www.cdc.gov

Here's one study you could have found if you bothered to read through what I linked for you. Myocarditis was reported in 3.5 per million vaccinations and no associated deaths were confirmed.

So no, I don't "fail" and I didn't fail before. You have provided nothing of substance to support your claims. You have a view that is not supported by the evidence. It's that simple.

 

[shunyadragon]

I can. Here's the key verse:

And YHWH said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Exodus 4:21

The rod and the lion:

And when they had gone Pharaoh sent for Balaam the magician and to Jannes and Jambres his sons, and to all the magicians and conjurors and counsellors which belonged to the king, and they all came and sat before the king.
And the king told them all the words which Moses and his brother Aaron had spoken to him, and the magicians said to the king, But how came the men to thee, on account of the lions which were confined at the gate?
And the king said, Because they lifted up their rod against the lions and loosed them, and came to me, and the lions also rejoiced at them as a dog rejoices to meet his master.
Jasher 79:27-29

The dispute between the commons and the royals played out later in the American War of Independence. The Great Seal of the U.S. connects to this via the pyramid on the reverse side.

The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7:4

A lion with eagles' wings is like a griffin, which is the name given to the dragon at the gate of the old city of London.

"Hey, diddle, diddle,"​

The cow jumped over the moon;. The little dog laughed. To see such sport,. And the dish ran away with the spoon.

 

[SkepticThinker]

By whom, under what conditions? Did they have legal authority to do so?



How do you know that's all that was redacted?

Use of COVID-19 Vaccines After Reports of Adverse Events...

ACIP reviewed information on COVID-19 vaccines and concluded that benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks of rare, serious adverse events.

www.cdc.gov

Here's one study you could have found if you bothered to read through what I linked for you. Myocarditis was reported in 3.5 per million vaccinations and no associated deaths were confirmed.

So no, I don't "fail" and I didn't fail before. You have provided nothing of substance to support your claims. You have a view that is not supported by the evidence. It's that simple.

I've provided multiple studies to this poster showing that the risk of myocarditis is much, much higher from HAVING COVID than it is from getting vaccinated.

It doesn't get through. I just get a bunch of crap from the most poorly vetted internet sources that I've ever seen where people think that if a magnet sticks to your arm it's because you were vaccinated. Good grief.

 

[Ebionite]

 

[Ebionite]

By whom, under what conditions? Did they have legal authority to do so?

The key players were Barry Young, Liz Gunn, and Steve Kirsch. Barry Young saw that there was a problem with the jabs and told his managers about it, who fired him. He told the NZ Ministers of Parliament about it, who ignored him. He has nowbeen charged with accessing a computer system for dishonest purposes, and has entered a plea of not guilty to the charge.

How do you know that's all that was redacted?

There's no reason think that Kirsh was lying about the redactions, since the N.Z. Ministry of Health hasn't contradicted him.

Here's one study you could have found if you bothered to read through what I linked for you.

I'm not going to search through irrelevant information to find your non-existent data.

So no, I don't "fail" and I didn't fail before.

You failed when you misrepresented me as promoting a conspiracy theory, and you failed when you said that "we" had data that showed no deaths.

You have provided nothing of substance to support your claims.

I've provided information on how to download the NZ data, and I'm named my source for the claim of one death per thousand doses.

You have a view that is not supported by the evidence.

Expert testimony is a form of evidence.

 

[Left Coast]

The key players were Barry Young, Liz Gunn, and Steve Kirsch. Barry Young saw that there was a problem with the jabs and told his managers about it, who fired him. He told the NZ Ministers of Parliament about it, who ignored him. He has nowbeen charged with accessing a computer system for dishonest purposes, and has entered a plea of not guilty to the charge.

Right, so ill-gotten.

There's no reason think that Kirsh was lying about the redactions, since the N.Z. Ministry of Health hasn't contradicted him.

Flatly false, The NZ Ministry explicitly contradicted him. Flawed Analysis of New Zealand Data Doesn’t Show COVID-19 Vaccines Killed Millions - FactCheck.org

I'm not going to search through irrelevant information to find your non-existent data.

The information is relevant. Whether you choose to read the data is up to you.

You failed when you misrepresented me as promoting a conspiracy theory,

Incorrect. The reader may decide.

and you failed when you said that "we" had data that showed no deaths.

No I didn't. I literally posted the evidence for you to read.

I've provided information on how to download the NZ data, and I'm named my source for the claim of one death per thousand doses.

An untrustworthy source using edited, ill-gotten data that contradicts all other available evidence about the safety of vaccines. I.e. not something to take particularly seriously.

Expert testimony is a form of evidence.

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This guy appears to be a computer scientist/mathematician. His expertise appears to be in software engineering. He's not a physician, biochemist, medical researcher or expert in any relevant field to assess the clinical data for vaccine safety. He also appears to just be taking at face value what these cranks published themselves.

Next?

 

[Ebionite]

Right, so ill-gotten.

Because telling people about a threat is the wrong thing to do if the "authorites" aren't on the same page.

 

[Left Coast]

Because telling people about a threat is the wrong thing to do if the "authorites" aren't on the same page.

No, making up a threat with poorly analyzed and likely edited data that contradicts what medical professionals whose literal job it is every day to evaluate these things have to say about it is the wrong thing to do.

 

[Ebionite]

No, making up a threat with poorly analyzed and likely edited data that contradicts what medical professionals whose literal job it is every day to evaluate these things have to say about it is the wrong thing to do.

AFAIK Nobody is willing to challenge Kirsch about his analysis and there's no reason to think he edited the data other than obvious prejudice.

So in your world Florida's Surgeon General isn't a medical professional?

 

[Left Coast]

AFAIK Nobody is willing to challenge Kirsch about his analysis and there's no reason to think he edited the data other than obvious prejudice.

You should read through the link that I just gave you. A biostatistician directly challenged Kirsch's poor analysis.

So in your world Florida's Surgeon General isn't a medical professional?

Oh Florida. Constantly embarrassing itself in new ways. What do the other 49 Surgeon Generals say about it?

 

[Ebionite]

You should read through the link that I just gave you. A biostatistician directly challenged Kirsch's poor analysis.

Nah, I'm not going to search for another one of your nothingburgers.