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Supreme Court upholds travel ban

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher

To my Muslim brothers and sisters in humanity I apologize for what this man has done and unfortunately our judicial system has been bought. This man is not my president nor do I acknowledge his office nor his person. I pray those of you of middle eastern descent even those of central and South American origin whose homeland has been targeted be careful.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Some details for those not watching videos....
In travel ban decision, Supreme Court rejects ruling supporting World War II internment
A 5-4 Supreme Court decision Tuesday to uphold President Donald Trump’s travel ban has overturned another ruling nearly 74 years ago that said an executive order to detain Japanese Americans in incarceration camps during World War II was constitutional, according to one law school professor.
Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, made it clear that the court viewed the ability to regulate immigration as squarely within a president's powers and he rejected critics' claims of anti-Muslim bias.

But in that opinion, Roberts also called out the dissent for invoking a 1944 landmark ruling, Korematsu v. United States, that upheld President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s executive order authorizing the relocation of anyone considered a national threat to security during the Second World War.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This is a targeted anti-Muslim ban. And, imo, anyone who doesn't see that is either being extraordinarily naive or is comfortable with that particular prejudice.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I thought GWB was bad for the USA. I still do, very much so.

Still, he was only a warm-up act, from what we are seeing.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I am less worried about Trump than his followers. Here, where I live, I have seen Muslim College students literally disappear since Trump began infesting the White House. I have not worn Hijab in several months and feel very guilty about that. It is beyond me how such a man can be president.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I am less worried about Trump than his followers. Here, where I live, I have seen Muslim College students literally disappear since Trump began infesting the White House. I have not worn Hijab in several months and feel very guilty about that. It is beyond me how such a man can be president.
Stay safe Ellen. But don't let them push you into a closet either. Be a beacon of support for Muslims who feel threatened. I'll do my best to be so also.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I empathize with a lot of social causes, but being forced to hide who one is and being discriminated against on basis of country or religion may well be at the top of the list--if for no other reason than that they hit very, very close to home.

I hope all Muslim and non-Muslim immigrants from the targeted countries stay safe and manage to overcome the difficulties caused by this reprehensible ruling.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Stay safe Ellen. But don't let them push you into a closet either. Be a beacon of support for Muslims who feel threatened. I'll do my best to be so also.


Thank you. His next step might be a severe restriction of rights for Muslims in general. That would feel very odd since I was born in America to American Parents, and served in the American Military. I saw the hateful thinking at the start of the Vietnam war, and right after 9/11.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I empathize with a lot of social causes, but being forced to hide who one is and being discriminated against on basis of country or religion may well be at the top of the list--if for no other reason than that they hit very, very close to home.

I hope all Muslim and non-Muslim immigrants from the targeted countries stay safe and manage to overcome the difficulties caused by this reprehensible ruling.


Thank You.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Nothing to see hear, folks. Move along. Never was a "Muslim" travel ban, it was a ban of those wishing to enter the US from countries that were known to produce terrorists. Unfortunately most of those folks were from Muslim countries. So, go ahead, take your best shot. It was the proper thing to do for the protection of all US citizens. (BTW, how loudly did you moan and groan when Obama banned immigrants from Iran?).
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
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Nothing to see hear, folks. Move along. Never was a "Muslim" travel ban, it was a ban of those wishing to enter the US from countries that were known to produce terrorists. Unfortunately most of those folks were from Muslim countries. So, go ahead, take your best shot. It was the proper thing to do for the protection of all US citizens. (BTW, how loudly did you moan and groan when Obama banned immigrants from Iran?).
There's been zero terrorist attacks from the countries on the list. And countries where we have had attacks are not on it, such as Egypt and SA. And Obama didn't ban immigrants from Iran, there was a slow down of ONE type of visa for a short, outlined period. Flawed comparison on immigration restrictions
And furthermore, it was a Muslim ban and the court originally made him rewrite the proposal because they ruled it as such. This is the same ban with a different wording slapped on to it. But nobody is or should be fooled.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nothing to see hear, folks. Move along. Never was a "Muslim" travel ban, it was a ban of those wishing to enter the US from countries that were known to produce terrorists.
Some background on the list of affected countries....
7 nations in Trump travel ban were named by Obama?
As I recall, the list wasn't about which country produced terrorists who
threaten us, but rather about security concerns in the country which
pose a risk.
Note that it affected all people from those countries, not just Muslims.
And there are numerous exceptions allowed.
Unfortunately most of those folks were from Muslim countries. So, go ahead, take your best shot. It was the proper thing to do for the protection of all US citizens. (BTW, how loudly did you moan and groan when Obama banned immigrants from Iran?).
The order on which SCOTUS passed judgement also included a couple non-Muslim majority countries.
Ref....
Supreme Court upholds Trump ban on travel from several mostly Muslim countries
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm sure the ban would be lifted eventually, far as I'm concerned it's entirely up to the Muslims to stop their brothers and sisters from going on killing rampages.

If there is still a justifiable threat that exist from radical Islam, than there is a justifiable ban in the interest of protecting this country.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
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I'm sure the ban would be lifted eventually, far as I'm concerned it's entirely up to the Muslims to stop their brothers and sisters from going on killing rampages.

If there is still a justifiable threat that exist from radical Islam, than there is a justifiable ban in the interest of protecting this country.
I'm sure the detainment would be lifted eventually, far as I'm concerned it's entirely up to the Japanese to stop their brothers and sisters from going on Kamikazi rampages.

If there is still a justifiable threat that exists from Japanese, then there is a justifiable detainment in the interest of protecting this country.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm sure the detainment would be lifted eventually, far as I'm concerned it's entirely up to the Japanese to stop their brothers and sisters from going on Kamikazi rampages

You're not even close to base with this. *Yikes*

We're talking about a travel ban, not detainment.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm sure the ban would be lifted eventually, far as I'm concerned it's entirely up to the Muslims to stop their brothers and sisters from going on killing rampages.

If there is still a justifiable threat that exist from radical Islam, than there is a justifiable ban in the interest of protecting this country.
I don't think that one group of Muslims can control another.
Criminy, they kill each other right & left over minor differences.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm sure the detainment would be lifted eventually, far as I'm concerned it's entirely up to the Japanese to stop their brothers and sisters from going on Kamikazi rampages.

If there is still a justifiable threat that exists from Japanese, then there is a justifiable detainment in the interest of protecting this country.
It's useful to evaluate relative risks, & treat one
end of the spectrum differently from the other.
 
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