Suspect charged with hate crime for destroying Satanic Temple display at Iowa Capitol

[Subduction Zone]

Anchovies aren't bad, just very salty.

I like them too. And yes, if one adds anchovies to something one should be ready to decrease the amount of salt. But there are certain dishes that are not the same without them. A puttanesca is not the same without anchovies.

 

[Revoltingest]

Feta smells like feet and stomach bile.

Did you have that problem of corrupted
smell after recovering from Covid?

 

[Father Heathen]

Did you have that problem of corrupted
smell after recovering from Covid?

This predates that. I also think angel food cake smells like dirty socks. Maybe it's one of those weird genetic things that effect smell. It's why cilantro tastes like soap to some people.

 

[Revoltingest]

This predates that. I also think angel food cake smells like dirty socks. Maybe it's one of those weird genetic things that effect smell. It's why cilantro tastes like soap to some people.

Mozzarella is tasteless to me.
Can you taste it?

 

[Father Heathen]

Mozzarella is tasteless to me.
Can you taste it?

It has a lighter taste, but still has flavor. I like it, although my favorite is pepperjack.

 

[Altfish]

Honestly, I think that not all religions are the same.
Or rather, not all ideologies or thoughts deserve the denomination religion.
And this is the case.

I am sorry, I need to be outspoken: of course I condemn that person's act, but we are not dealing with a religion, here.

You are on dodgy ground trying to define a hierarchy of religions.
Scientology?
Latter Day Saints?
Nation of Yahweh?
Prince Philip Movement?

Look, I think all religions are on dodgy ground, but to say which makes the most and least sense, good luck with that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Honestly, I think that not all religions are the same.
Or rather, not all ideologies or thoughts deserve the denomination religion.
And this is the case.

I am sorry, I need to be outspoken: of course I condemn that person's act, but we are not dealing with a religion, here.

Let me guess....
You'd put Catholicism up near the top,
& Satanism down near the bottom.

 

[Revoltingest]

It has a lighter taste, but still has flavor. I like it, although my favorite is pepperjack.

On pizza?
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Well, as a student of ancient history, I do lament the destruction of ancient artifacts/sites by ISIS.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/middleeast/isis-palmyra-treasures-destroyed/index.html

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-224-isis-war-on-history-nazi-royals-mcdonalds-in-decline-and-more-1.2990417/10-historical-sites-destroyed-by-isis-and-why-they-matter-1.2990449

However, I see no equivalence here. Those sites are the historical remnants of ancient societies.

But a shrine or whatever to Satan in my local courthouse (my taxes at work)? Nope

I agree that it's completely different. The Satanists of the Satanic temple don't really care whether people are incensed about a concept of Satan that they themselves don't believe in. The intent is to shock people into equally applying separation between church and state. The Satanic Temple doesn't actually care about a Satanic monument being in a courthouse, they want it to be torn down. But if they also don't tear down the Ten Commandments monument, they will absolutely sue the heck out of the state. As they should.

 

[Father Heathen]

On pizza?
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, no. Not on pizza.

 

[Quintessence]

I have no thoughts. Just an aggravated sigh.

This incident is a far cry from being the worst thing coming out of the garbage state house right now. I don't even care.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Fair in the sense that law was applied as written.

That said, the Satanic temple is an organization which basically serves to provoke criticism of the Religious protections, rather than genuine Religious practice. For that reason I think characterizing this a 'hate crime' in the same way that someone who defaced a Mosque or Synagogue would be untrue.

While I can get that, arguably, other organized religions seem also to serve purposes other than spiritual, like politics or profit. That doesn't mean their displays aren't meaningful to some folks. Regardless of the group's purpose, the display had spiritual meaning to some folks and is symbolically important in legitimate religions. It still stands to reason that if one religion can display religious symbols on public land, others can as well.

The intent behind the destruction certainly appeared similar to someone defacing other people's symbols; hatred for someone else's culture.

 

[The Hammer]

But a shrine or whatever to Satan in my local courthouse (my taxes at work)? Nope

So freedom "for me not thee". I find the ten commandments equally abhorrent. Can I destroy those at the state capital since I pay taxes.


Or is equal representation the rule of law here?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But a shrine or whatever to Satan in my local courthouse (my taxes at work)? Nope

Unfortunately for you and fortunately for the rest of us the Constitution says yes.
It's respect for others, amd destroying the icons of others (or encouraging, desiring or applauding) is disrespectful.
We have to share society. If that means tolerating something you dislike so be it. That's everyone from time to time in a healthy and free society.

 

[Dao Hao Now]

However, I see no equivalence here. Those sites are the historical remnants of ancient societies.

That said, the Satanic temple is an organization which basically serves to provoke criticism of the Religious protections, rather than genuine Religious practice. For that reason I think characterizing this a 'hate crime' in the same way that someone who defaced a Mosque or Synagogue would be untrue.

The equivalency here of this qualifying as a hate crime is not so much about historicity or “genuine religious practice” concerning the object that was defaced, but rather the motivation of the perpetrator.

It’s based on the hate of the perpetrator who perceived the object as an affront to his religious sensibilities, such that he felt justified in its destruction irregardless of the law.

This sort of law becomes necessary in order to maintain fairness and order, and promote tolerance in a society where several individuals have in the past (and present) demonstrated that they believe that they have a “higher” calling beyond the law of the land that justifies their actions.

As exemplified by:

Smash it.

Followed with:

You are assuming I give a crap about the Constitution, when it comes to what is right or wrong? I do not.

What would entitle me to that privilege? Truth and my obligation to our Creator. IMHO.

 

[Esteban X]

I see.

What do you see?

 

[fantome profane]

What do you see?

I see, said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw.

 

[libre]

It’s based on the hate of the perpetrator who perceived the object as an affront to his religious sensibilities, such that he felt justified in its destruction irregardless of the law.

Knowing the organization who set it up, this display was intended to antagonize and provoke.
It is their right to do so, but I'm not going to sit here and equate this guy with someone who actually takes hateful actions towards other religious people or their religious practices or symbols.

 

[McBell]

Knowing the organization who set it up, this display was intended to antagonize and provoke.
It is their right to do so, but I'm not going to sit here and equate this guy with someone who actually takes hateful actions towards other religious people or their religious practices or symbols.

Taking hateful actions towards other religious people or their religious practices or symbols is not enough evidence for you that they take hateful actions towards other religious people or their religious practices or symbols?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Knowing the organization who set it up, this display was intended to antagonize and provoke.
It is their right to do so, but I'm not going to sit here and equate this guy with someone who actually takes hateful actions towards other religious people or their religious practices or symbols.

Today the Christians that put up their Ten Commandments are doing the same. In the past they were ignorant of what they were doing wrong. But that excuse no longer flies. They know that there are many people in the US that do not believe their Ten Commandments and yet they put them up anyway. A little thought and they should realize the same applies to creches and other solely religious symbols of Christmas.

They do already have their own houses of worship for that. There really is less of an excuse for them to export that than others that are not so well organized.