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Sweden’s prime minister summons police and army chiefs, as gang violence surges

Stevicus

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PureX

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Chicago can top those numbers in a week.

Also, this useless article says nothing at all about the reason for the spike in gun violence, or the reason for the increase in criminal gangs.
 

metis

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Sweden took in many refugees from the Middle East and northern Africa, both for humanitarian reasons but also because they needed more laborers.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
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Also, this useless article says nothing at all about the reason for the spike in gun violence, or the reason for the increase in criminal gangs.
True. To me, it's related to the breakdown of order all over the world with the Russian-Ukrainian war, anti-Muslim propaganda and violence in India, the rise of fanaticism in many places, the US included and so forth. There are, of course local reasons why certain things are happening in certain countries.
Sweden took in many refugees from the Middle East and northern Africa, both for humanitarian reasons but also because they needed more laborers.
Immigrants to Sweden from what I've read were more likely to be involved with crime but I've seen nothing to indicate why the problem is worse now how much of the gang violence is due to which group.
 

PureX

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I believe Sweden is very lax in terms of gun control compared to many of their neighbors. Something about a citizen militia. I wonder if this is a factor? Any Swedes here?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I believe Sweden is very lax in terms of gun control compared to many of their neighbors. Something about a citizen militia. I wonder if this is a factor? Any Swedes here?
You are correct, and it is believed to be because of two main reasons: more guns as hunting is a major sport in Sweden and also gang violence has increased over the last two decades. However, its homicide rate is just a fraction of ours here in the States.
 

Revoltingest

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You are correct, and it is believed to be because of two main reasons: more guns as hunting is a major sport in Sweden and also gang violence has increased over the last two decades. However, its homicide rate is just a fraction of ours here in the States.
Reminds me of the old Avis slogan...
We're #2 so we try harder.
 

Stevicus

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Reminds me of the old Avis slogan...
We're #2 so we try harder.

As opposed to Cracked magazine's slogan: "We're number two because we don't try as hard."

get+me+craked+73.jpg
 

lewisnotmiller

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Chicago can top those numbers in a week.

Also, this useless article says nothing at all about the reason for the spike in gun violence, or the reason for the increase in criminal gangs.
Gangs is the short answer.

Groups like Foxtrot and Dalen are responsible for importing large amounts of weapons to Sweden and are having a very active and public war over control of the drug industry.

The violence has become increasingly public and normalised, and includes very public murders of gang members, but also relatives or loose associates.

These are not small gangs, and immigration has provided fertile recruiting grounds unfortunately.
 

lewisnotmiller

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Immigrants to Sweden from what I've read were more likely to be involved with crime but I've seen nothing to indicate why the problem is worse now how much of the gang violence is due to which group.
Dalen and Foxtrot are involved in an active and increasingly public war over drugs.
They have smuggled in large numbers of guns to support this.
 

PureX

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Gangs is the short answer.

Groups like Foxtrot and Dalen are responsible for importing large amounts of weapons to Sweden and are having a very active and public war over control of the drug industry.

The violence has become increasingly public and normalized, and includes very public murders of gang members, but also relatives or loose associates.

These are not small gangs, and immigration has provided fertile recruiting grounds unfortunately.
But why Sweden? Why not also Denmark and Norway and Germany and Poland, etc.?
 

lewisnotmiller

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But why Sweden? Why not also Denmark and Norway and Germany and Poland, etc.?
Whilst physically they are in proximity, they're different countries, with different laws and acceptance standards for immigrants (or at least were. Swedish standards have more recently tightened).

In particular, Swedish acceptance of asylum seekers went beyond the level demanded by EU rules, with Norway not even being an EU member state.


You might this interesting on the issue;

It's worth noting, I'm not Swedish, and have only worked in Sweden for a couple of months total, back in 2017/18. I have a bunch of Swedish IRL friends (I worked 10+ years for a Swedish company so that's really my source for this. I'm far from an expert.

It's probably also worth noting that Germany and Denmark (at least) have had some issues.


Anecdotally, though, it might have been easier for 'new' gangs to establish themselves in Sweden than Germany due to the relative lack of strong organised domestic gangs in place when EU rules opened the borders to European refugees, and asylum rules opened them to middle eastern immigration (amongst others).
 
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