robtex
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http://www.ldolphin.org/shermer-ross.html
I found this debate interesting and wanted to post the link here.
I found this debate interesting and wanted to post the link here.
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I`m telling ya that singularity is more damn trouble than it`s worth!!Regarding the first item, he(Ross) said that the singularity ("Big Bang") origin of the Universe was a transcendent event that must have had a cause.
He`s right again.Ross then cited a paper by Hawking and Penrose in which Ross said it was stated that all mass, energy, space, and time must be traceable back to a beginning.
Now he`s riding off into left field.Ross said the Universe had been slowing down for the first 8 billion years and then has been speeding up for the next 6 billion years.
Now he`s just making stuff up.Ross then concluded that this "entity" who created the Universe was 1060/1023 times more intelligent than were the people who designed the gravity wave telescope.
He`s done.From his estimation of the high improbability of the Universe being so finely tuned and the high improbability of life arising on Earth he concluded that everything must have been designed by the Christian God.
Heehee..Shermer asked those who had brought Bibles to check Ross's references. Later there was time for one person to read one of the verses cited by Ross. By a large stretch of the imagination it might have related to what Ross what talking about.
[IT WAS A PASSAGE ABOUT GOD EXPANDING A TENT FOR MORE PEOPLE TO FIT IN IT; THIS WAS SUPPOSEDLY THE DESCRIPTION OF THE BIG BANG SINGULARITY]
Shermer is always so damn rational.Shermer said that science can't deal with the existence of God and that people who stick "god" in their discussions about origins are just pushing a particular religious agenda.
Yes, I would say that. He holds these degrees.Fade said:It sounds like this Ross fella has read an awful lot of scientific material
Can this really be called a debate?From his estimation of the high improbability of the Universe being so finely tuned and the high improbability of life arising on Earth he concluded that everything must have been designed by the Christian God.
There is a clause at the top of the paper stating that it's not really a debate as Mr. Ross doesn't participate in debates. I wish it would have been a debate format because the material probably would have been meatier. I am highly interested in hearing both sides on the issue of the origins of the universe by scientists. Check out 'Evidence' started by Jayhawker if you want more of this subject on RF...if you haven't seen it already.angellous_evangellous said:Can this really be called a debate?
Thx Buttercup. I should have read the link. I just glanced at linwood's observations and didn't think that I should look further.Buttercup said:There is a clause at the top of the paper stating that it's not really a debate as Mr. Ross doesn't participate in debates. I wish it would have been a debate format because the material probably would have been meatier. I am highly interested in hearing both sides on the issue of the origins of the universe by scientists. Check out 'Evidence' started by Jayhawker if you want more of this subject on RF...if you haven't seen it already.
Any more places you can think of online to hear/read debates such as this?
Answers in Genesis is always good for a laugh...or a cry depending on your mood.angellous_evangellous said:Answers in Genesis' response to Mr. Ross is very entertaining.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/rc/intro.asp
Check out the chart!
In my mind AiG belongs in the same genre as Landover Baptists.Fade said:Answers in Genesis is always good for a laugh...or a cry depending on your mood.
Never seen it but based on my works web filterangellous_evangellous said:In my mind AiG belongs in the same genre as Landover Baptists.
I'm certainly gonna have a look at it when i get homeThe site you requested is blocked under the following categories: Mature, Sexual Materials
It has some cool thongs.Fade said:Never seen it but based on my works web filter
I'm certainly gonna have a look at it when i get home
Oh my that sounds like juicy goss, do tell!!Buttercup said:Hey AE....maybe you should order that Jesus thong for your wife to wear in the mornings for ya! Oh never mind, I forgot, you're frustrated as it is!
I'm happy with my wife's thong collection as it is.Buttercup said:Landover Baptist is indeed a funny, funny site....as long as raunchy, irreverent, slamming Christian humor is fine with you. I think it's really sad that some people who visit the site think it is an actual Christian outreach forum. Take at look in the forums. We need to come up with more terms to describe stupidity because anyone going thru that site thinking it's really evangelical....well, they're just beyond a dumb bag of rocks.
Hey AE....maybe you should order that Jesus thong for your wife to wear in the mornings for ya! Oh never mind, I forgot, you're frustrated as it is!
You don't like Billy Graham? I think he is a wonderful, walks the walk Christian evangelist. There are a few good ones out there. Charles Stanley is another one that comes to mind.angellous_evangellous said:I have no problem with people thinking that evangelicals are as dumb as a bag of rocks. It is a correct analysis as far as I'm concerned.
Just referring to a juicy tidbit AE let out in the "Do you think you're sexy" thread.Fade said:Oh my that sounds like juicy goss, do tell!!
I know. :jam:Buttercup said:Just referring to a juicy tidbit AE let out in the "Do you think you're sexy" thread.