Teacher Beheaded near Paris

[PureX]

We are. It's singling out these passages from "holy" books that command and permit such violence.

Books can't permit or deny, anything. It's like blaming rock music for school shootings. Or video games. And I don't see you all jumping on that bandwagon.

 

[Jainarayan]

Can't be done.

Ok, I’m sure you know. But notice I never said their thinking can be changed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Whoa. Chopping off someone's head is very different than what Christ did or taught. So yes it is very very different. Christians do not believe they are required to accept or reject certain lifestyles they simply read what God said is good and bad and right or wrong. Then they know, and have no need to interject their own opinion. Nothing to do with killing people.
A Christian martyr was someone that gave his life to save as many others as possible. The people that kill as many as possible to gain a better place in 'heaven' or whatever are terrorists, not martyrs.

The Bible does command death for several things. Like homosexuality, being a rebellious child, women who aren't virgins on their wedding night, and those who worship other gods.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ok, I’m sure you know. But notice I never said their thinking can be changed.

It is a curcial fact. People want to say this person or that group isn't doing their religion right. There is no way to prove who isright or who is wrong. Thus there is no way to definitely claim with validity that this person or that group is twisting their faith. Schisms amd multiple denominations are pieces of evidence that strongly proclaim it can't be done.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Books can't permit or deny, anything. It's like blaming rock music for school shootings. Or video games. And I don't see you all jumping on that bandwagon.

Rock music doesn't say to shoot up your school. The so-called holy bible does say to kill those who worship other gods.

 

[PureX]

Rock music doesn't say to shoot up your school.

Some do. And certainly the video games do. But all you care about are the holy books.

Why is that?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some do.

Judas Priest, Marilyn Manson, Rammstein, Slayer, none of the "usual suspects" do.

And certainly the video games do.

I am aware of one highly controversial and very underground indy release game that does. Killing infidels who are percieved to be aggressors is straight from the Quran.
Amd, really, if someone cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, they have problems. Because movies and video games aren't real. But to the religious their religion is very real, and "thou Shalt not suffer a witch to live" has been the basis of uncountable and unimaginable anguish, torture, and deaths of legions.

 

[dad]

The Bible does command death for several things. Like homosexuality, being a rebellious child, women who aren't virgins on their wedding night, and those who worship other gods.

False. The commands were for long ago and for a specific people. The bible commands love and honour for God.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Books can't permit or deny, anything. It's like blaming rock music for school shootings. Or video games. And I don't see you all jumping on that bandwagon.

Well, it's the individual that permits or denies how information educates them, but first you have to be trained how to be a good individual. And then maybe that would become a wall between you and how other information might affect you, I guess. I don't know

 

[Shaul]

One problem is that certain types of religion are more attractive to those with mental issues. Someone who is violent will be attracted to the violent aspects that exist in all religions. And, if they believe that God or honor calls them to commit violence, they will do what they are already inclined to do.

This is as true of those who shoot abortion doctors or burn witches at the stake as it is for those who behead people or who deliberately crash airplanes into buildings.

ALL religions have such violent teachings and violent histories. The first suicide bombers were Buddhist (in Sri Lanka).

Which religionists shooting abortion doctors are you referring to?

 

[Polymath257]

Which religionists shooting abortion doctors are you referring to?

Perhaps you need to learn some of the history:

Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

False. The commands were for long ago and for a specific people. The bible commands love and honour for God.

It is in there. And, obviously many disagree with you.
We cannot objectively determine who is right and who is wrong. We can only weigh the evidence of what each side presents. Such as how Jesus said he did not come to do away with the Laws and Prophets and that anyone who teaches less or adjusts anything or omits anything at all will be counted "among the least in the Kingdom." And that not a "dot or tittle" will change until things have been fulfilled, and they haven't yet all been fulfilled.

Which religionists shooting abortion doctors are you referring to?

Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia
Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia
(the first link is murders. the second is a religious terrorist group)

 

[Shaul]

Perhaps you need to learn some of the history:

Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia

Perhaps you could answer the question I asked. Which religionists shooting abortion doctors are you referring to?

 

[Shaul]

It is in there. And, obviously many disagree with you.
We cannot objectively determine who is right and who is wrong. We can only weigh the evidence of what each side presents. Such as how Jesus said he did not come to do away with the Laws and Prophets and that anyone who teaches less or adjusts anything or omits anything at all will be counted "among the least in the Kingdom." And that not a "dot or tittle" will change until things have been fulfilled, and they haven't yet all been fulfilled.

Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia
Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia
(the first link is murders. the second is a religious terrorist group)

Um, I was asking Polymath which ones he was referring to. Your post doesn’t answer that. Also your links don’t give hardly any information about the perpetrators being religionists.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Um, I was asking Polymath which ones he was referring to. Your post doesn’t answer that. Also your links don’t give hardly any information about the perpetrators being religionists.

First: It's called a public forum. That just happens in these sort of places. Because the discussion isn't private. In which case it would be rude to do so. But it's public. It happens a lot.
Second, how does a link to a religious terrorist group who has killed doctors who perform abortions not answer your question and "give hardly any information?" It clearly identifies them as religious extremists.

 

[PureX]

Well, it's the individual that permits or denies how information educates them, but first you have to be trained how to be a good individual. And then maybe that would become a wall between you and how other information might affect you, I guess. I don't know

It's these kinds of choices that make us who we are, and determine who we will become. To deny that we have the ability to make these choices is to forfeit our autonomy as human beings.

 

[Shaul]

First: It's called a public forum. That just happens in these sort of places. Because the discussion isn't private. In which case it would be rude to do so. But it's public. It happens a lot.
Second, how does a link to a religious terrorist group who has killed doctors who perform abortions not answer your question and "give hardly any information?" It clearly identifies them as religious extremists.

Irrelevant. You can’t possibly know what someone else was referring to.

You better re-read your own links. They don’t provide much information on which abortion providers were shot by religionists at all.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Irrelevant. You can’t possibly know what someone else was referring to.

Olympic-rate deflection if I've ever seen it.

 

[dad]

It is in there. And, obviously many disagree with you.
We cannot objectively determine who is right and who is wrong. We can only weigh the evidence of what each side presents. Such as how Jesus said he did not come to do away with the Laws and Prophets and that anyone who teaches less or adjusts anything or omits anything at all will be counted "among the least in the Kingdom." And that not a "dot or tittle" will change until things have been fulfilled, and they haven't yet all been fulfilled.

Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia
Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia
(the first link is murders. the second is a religious terrorist group)

You seem to sort of paraphrase the bible but clearly don't comprehend what you are saying.

The people who shoot and kill people are not following the bible or Jesus. So I would count them as non believers since they did not do as Jesus said. I also would count the people that kill babies as among those who do not do as the bible says. Both have blood on their hands and neither obeyed Jesus.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I also would count the people that kill babies as among those who do not do as the bible says.

Then what about examples when the Bible mentions and even commands the "good guys" kill babies (including the unborn), including that the unborn be torn from the womb? What about god ordering the death of the firstborn in Egypt? That global flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? That included children among the dead.